Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

Guess I'll bang some pots and pans in this thread too. I'm going to cross post it on the JP forums just to try and get it out there. It took me a long time to gather and edit together all the pictures, because frankly, logging in on my Au Ra alt just makes me sad right now. :( She doesn't look like herself anymore and it's a huge bummer.

The image on the left is from a series of poses in a studio I took during 6.x to give to artists for when I commissioned them for artwork of my character. Because I wanted it to be high quality for the artists, I edited the colors a little bit and cleaned up the detail of her hair and scales, but the shape of her face is not changed. I tried to get the lighting as similar as I could in 7.x, but it's not quite the same. But this is less about the colors and more about the shape of the 3D model. Sorry if these files are huge. I wanted to show as much detail as possible.

https://i.imgur.com/0zz08I6.png
Endwalker/6.x is on the left, Dawntrail/7.x on the right.

I used an art program to trace over the image to better see some of the differences.
https://i.imgur.com/swlXwcq.png

These are the differences that stand out to me:
- Eyebrows are thicker and more arched in 6.x, and are slightly flatter and much more thin in 7.x.
- The shape of the top eyelid is is more angular in 6.x while it is smooth and rounded in 7.x.
- The pupil is smaller in 6.x which makes her look awake and alert. The pupil is bigger in 7.x which makes her look tired.
- The darkness of the eye makeup has been lightened in 7.x and is much less prominent than in 6.x.
- The eyeshadow on the lower eyelid is a sharper line in 7.x while it is more blended in 6.x.
- The eyes are larger in 7.x, which changes the proportions of her face and makes her look more child-like. Part of why I liked face 3 was because I though she looked more like a young woman than a teenage girl. I liked her maturity. But now with the bigger eyes the proportions make her look too young.
- The eye color has changed and isn't due to different lighting. She no longer has her seafoam green limbal ring in her eyes.
- Her nose is okay. The nostrils may be very slightly further apart in 7.x, but overall I think the nose looks fine.
- The lips going from 6.x to 7.x changed a lot. The top lip has its peaks moved closer together in 7.x and has lost a lot of the curve along the edges.
- The middle line of her mouth use to make a cute shape, like :} but now it's just a flat line like :|
- The bottom lip is full and rounded in 6.x, but its smaller and less round in 7.x.
- She went from wearing glossy lipstick to matte lipstick.
- The color of the horns and scales went from warm toned to cold toned. The darkness on her scales looks less like shadow and more like she has dirt stuck to her. It gives me an icky feeling like I need to scrub her in the bath when I look too close.

The thing I care about most is the lips and eyes.
https://i.imgur.com/uUGsb0y.png
These are what make her look like herself. I fell in love with the beautiful lips on face 3 and now they are gone! These were her charm points! I miss my cute little lizzer so much :(

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Originally Posted by MagicMush00

Watching a lot of these comparison images, from midlander to lalafell and elezen, it seems for some reason, they decided to position the mouths higher up on the models...
I don't see the reason for such a weird change.

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I know some people may not agree with me here because they dislike their characters changing but my bigger issue with midlander and elezen is that most of the noses are too high up/too short leaving an unnecessarily big gap between the mouth and the nose and I always saw this as a product of the models being so old (remember older races like hyur are like decade old at this point) either forcing the modelers to basically create character with (imo) bad anatomy due to technical limitations or the modelers at the time just not being up to task and I hoped they would fix these anatomy issues in the update.

Not just noses as well but a lot of the chins are kinda tucked in weirdly and especially elezens' body proportions are pretty horrific. I know people meme elezen necks but they got more issues with things like the shoulders being sort of detached from the torso and the upper chest being too wide, the head being too small for the bodies overall, as well as other small stuff, especially when the concept art actually had proper accurate proportions.

I think the raising of the lips was a half-hearted attempt to slighly fix the anatomy and proportions without fully commiting to it.

My point is that personally I would've been fine with them altering the models more radically for the sake of objectively fixing past issues with anatomy and proportions even if it came at the cost of altering the characters appearance but I also know it's not a very popular opinion here and I understand it. I think part of the dissatisfaction is due to the fact that they're trying to do both at the same time making things look even more jarring.

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Originally Posted by nattherat

Here's a very direct comparison, orthographic view. I won't comment on the ears or eyes here because the shape keys haven't been set the same on both of them. It's very clear to see that the middle of a Lalafell face is now a pinched/squished in hyur face, same with the lips. I'd be willing to bet actual money this is identical across all races.

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This illustrates exactly what I was having trouble putting into words: how everything looks squished in towards a central point, making all the features look off. The odd thing is, if it’s Hyurs that are the base model, why are so many of their faces just as wrong? lol You would think if they were the master template, they would all look more or less unchanged.

I wonder if that’s why, despite there being a few issues on my Lala I’d still like to see fixed, that Lalas don’t seem to have as many problems as some of the races, just due to the sheer effort of what they had to do here!

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Originally Posted by Louhikko

I always saw this as a product of the models being so old (remember older races like hyur are like decade old at this point) either forcing the modelers to basically create character with (imo) bad anatomy due to technical limitations or the modelers at the time just not being up to task and I hoped they would fix these anatomy issues in the update.

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I won't go on about it, but this definitely wasn't a product of the models being old - it isn't as though people couldn't model humans ten years ago. It was deliberate stylistic choice, it's very reminiscent of things like the Tactics series illustrations, with the exaggerated bodies and poses. Erasing the art style erases the identity of the game, it's the age-old graphics =/= aesthetics. If you don't care for the stylisation, that's totally fine of course.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

The odd thing is, if it’s Hyurs that are the base model, why are so many of their faces just as wrong? lol You would think if they were the master template, they would all look more or less unchanged.

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Because Hyur got a new mesh too, it just happens that their new mesh is what everyone else's new mesh is based on. So everyone got changed, including Hyur, which is why Hyur players are (rightfully) upset too.

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Originally Posted by nattherat

Because Hyur got a new mesh too, it just happens that their new mesh is what everyone else's new mesh is based on.

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I feel like it's the wrong approach to say they are what everyone else is based on.

The new model is a generic human face. The Hyur faces are specific human faces. Their features are getting forced towards the generic face every bit as much as the others; they just aren't coming from such a distant starting point.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

The odd thing is, if it’s Hyurs that are the base model, why are so many of their faces just as wrong? lol You would think if they were the master template, they would all look more or less unchanged.

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You really would think so right? Its baffling that that's not the case to begin with.
But the fact that things are the way that they are now really speaks of a bigger picture about the way they decided to handle the character overhaul as a whole. If they made the concious choice to approach the very base version with such negligence, lack of quality control and attention to what the original truly was and the parts of it that made it work , the outcome that we received makes sense with it being so poor. If they couldn't be bothered to put in the care and effort into the most basic of the races in the game , why would we expect them to do that for the more complex ones?

I don't mean to discredit the work that the developers have done but it does speak for itself at the end of the day. I wasn't in their offices so I can't say if it was burnout , crunch , rookie devs , supervisor negligence , lack of quality control or just a lazy approach they thought would work - I don't know. But it is bad and it also speaks volumes when compared to what the same situation was for the model changes going from 1.0 > 2.0. The effort put there was very much evident for preserving the spirit of the characters and applying a level of understanding for their details , something that seems to just be completely missing here.

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Originally Posted by MistressMoonseeker

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Fellow Face 2s seem so rare to find, for some reason.

Definitely agreed with the eyebrows, though it's actually every eyebrow option of Face 2 that was thinned and made angular in the new benchmark/current version. I have an accepted bug report on it.

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Originally Posted by Argantaelle

It seems like someone in SE headquarters decided what facial features should be considered "attractive," so they just copied and pasted them across all faces. (Preserving racial individuality? Players surely don't want this!) This person is a big fan of straight noses*, almond-shaped eyes, huge upper eyelid shadows, one particular mouth shape, plump lips with built-in lipstic... and philtrums. Philtrums everywhere. To preserve the "attractive" shape of the philtrum, this person ordered to adjust all mouths to show the philtrum in all its glory. Also, philtrums (as the most important facial feature) should be highlighted in every environment.

And SE designers obeyed without questions.

*Even tiny Lalafell noses have been straightened, and that probably baffles me the most.

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Wanna see my old vs new philtrum? xD

https://i.imgur.com/VdsnXMH.png

https://i.imgur.com/cBspehf.png

This is the main thing they butchered on my character. My lips are NTSC! Usually, NTSC is something you see on the case of old playstation 2 game like Kingdom Hearts. But in this case, NTCS means "NOT THE SAME CHARACTER".

Everyone's Characters are getting Replaced with NTSC and it sucks.

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Originally Posted by Feathetaria

Wanna see my old vs new philtrum? xD

Everyone's Characters are getting Replaced with NTSC and it sucks.

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I saw someone refer to it as a Pizza Hut logo, and now that’s all I see when I look at the top lip of most characters!

Really hope whatever they plan to do, they fix these mouths across all the races. Your lips were gorgeous before!

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Originally Posted by Louhikko

I know some people may not agree with me here because they dislike their characters changing but my bigger issue with midlander and elezen is that most of the noses are too high up/too short leaving an unnecessarily big gap between the mouth and the nose and I always saw this as a product of the models being so old (remember older races like hyur are like decade old at this point) either forcing the modelers to basically create character with (imo) bad anatomy due to technical limitations or the modelers at the time just not being up to task and I hoped they would fix these anatomy issues in the update.

Not just noses as well but a lot of the chins are kinda tucked in weirdly and especially elezens' body proportions are pretty horrific. I know people meme elezen necks but they got more issues with things like the shoulders being sort of detached from the torso and the upper chest being too wide, the head being too small for the bodies overall, as well as other small stuff, especially when the concept art actually had proper accurate proportions.

I think the raising of the lips was a half-hearted attempt to slighly fix the anatomy and proportions without fully commiting to it.

My point is that personally I would've been fine with them altering the models more radically for the sake of objectively fixing past issues with anatomy and proportions even if it came at the cost of altering the characters appearance but I also know it's not a very popular opinion here and I understand it. I think part of the dissatisfaction is due to the fact that they're trying to do both at the same time making things look even more jarring.

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I actually think the same too, i would have been happy if they took this opportunity to (properly) fix some of the issues the old models had, but right now, it seems that for like each thing that got slightly improved, they added or worsened another 2 or more.
Overall i think the new models (and some areas too) lost a lot of the appeal they used to have.

I remembered female Miqo'te philtrum weren't as noticeable as they were because they looked like an anime character with some cat-like features. The mapping was a lot more subtle and soft that I never even noticed the philtrum at all. The new philtrum looks a lot more sharp and defined, which defeats the purpose of a race consisting of anime facial features. I agree that everyone looks more human instead.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/d/...RGfaZaoot8QtsE

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Originally Posted by noumen0nn

Since CantDecide’s previous post went over most of the feedback I had been wanting to touch on, I want to make a followup post going over some other details that I think are worth pointing out and looking into.

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Yay! Good eye and great catches. I agree with everything you've said, and your point at the end about the attempted realism making hyur look out of place now is very true.

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Originally Posted by Louhikko

I know some people may not agree with me here because they dislike their characters changing but my bigger issue with midlander and elezen is that most of the noses are too high up/too short leaving an unnecessarily big gap between the mouth and the nose and I always saw this as a product of the models being so old (remember older races like hyur are like decade old at this point) either forcing the modelers to basically create character with (imo) bad anatomy due to technical limitations or the modelers at the time just not being up to task and I hoped they would fix these anatomy issues in the update.

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I agree with you about most nose options being too high up. Usually on any given face there's only one nose that's long, low, and narrow enough for my tastes, which is part of why the update changing its whole shape is so upsetting; the one nose I could use got borked. Yet another problem that would be solved by adding more options.

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Originally Posted by JonborgVa

Hey guys first time writing on this forum, so with the new graphic update I've ran into a couple odd things

1st y'shtola's hair has some strange white boxes around her hair
2nd When I Zoom out with my character my hair gets weird bald lines in it

If you want photo's for proof I'll show you later

Still new to this fourm and was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this

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This is what I mean

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=htt...dt401aad1.jpeg

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Originally Posted by luchi

I've noticed an issue that has to do with hair textures when using the AMD FSR setting at 99 resolution scaling. (It isn't noticeable on NVIDIA DLSS, but the game is a blurry mess on that setting so its not a viable solution)

The defect: Whenever I zoom out from my character, several hairstyles have rendering issues leaving gaps in the hair.
I have tried changing my in game settings and my LOD settings in Nvidia control panel and nothing has fixed this issue. I have a 4090 and running the game at max settings. The location and current fps of my game does not change the result.

This image shows the hair looking good when zoomed in:
https://i.imgur.com/Hu2lrOW.png

This image shows how gaps start to show as I zoom out a little:
https://i.imgur.com/1HCLdtn.png

This last image shows the bald spot growing larger on the character as I zoom almost all the way out:
https://i.imgur.com/R5URdq2.png

It's hard to get good images of this issue as it can get pixelated as I zoom out. The issue is more visible on darker hair colors and I have noticed the issue on other races such as female Au'ra as well. This only started post 7.0 graphics update.

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Yeah I get that with my Hyur Hair too, though its in the shape of a Y in the back of my head

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Originally Posted by CantDecide

I agree with you about most nose options being too high up. Usually on any given face there's only one nose that's long, low, and narrow enough for my tastes, which is part of why the update changing its whole shape is so upsetting; the one nose I could use got borked. Yet another problem that would be solved by adding more options.

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Let me guess, it's the nose 4? And I agree and I'm in same situation, the only nose I feel like fits nicely now looks off.

Character options used:

Au Ra Xaela
Face: 4
Skin color: RGB(155,122,137)
Hairstyle: 31
Hair color: RGB(75,38,94)
Highlights color: RGB(186,177,191)
Jaw: 2
Eye shape: 5
Iris size: Small
Left eye color: RGB(117,31,72)
Right eye color: RGB(64,55,105)
Limbal rings: Right eye only
Limbal ring color: RGB(74,45,97)
Eyebrows: 2
Nose: 5
Mouth: 1
Lip color: N/A
Other features: 3, 4, 5 (Both eyeshadow, horn rings)
Face paint: N/A

(Graphics/display settings equal in all images)

Its been over a month since we've gotten our hands on 7.0's changed character graphics, and after seeing them for so long the discomfort I felt at launch day still hasn't gone away, so here's my feedback.
Content of my posts will be very similar to

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with a lot more visual explanation, I echo their sentiments that the promise to "maintain character impressions" and to "preserve the look you know and love" made multiple times before patch 7.0 was not adequately kept with this face.

Eyes
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...9b00dd3c24.gif
Ever since the graphics revisions, the pupil and iris have been raised in the eyes. Compared to the old position, these new eyes give off a feeling that you're being looked past, not looked at. This new gaze feels distant and makes my character appear disconnected, and I hope the eyes can simply be rotated slightly downwards to where they were before the graphics changes.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...aef2e7d64e.png
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...eaf6f71976.gif
The pupils in the eyes are also much larger now, and far less sharply defined than they used to be. This completely changes the look of the character, and the less defined, muddy eyes darken the surrounding iris, making its colors harder to see too. I'd like if this racial characteristic could be returned to Au Ra, as it was an important part of the appeal of the race.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...acb2391ee4.png
Additionally, the limbal rings saw drastic stylistic changes with the graphics replacements. Their colors are now far, far less consistent, with limbal rings appearing dark in bright conditions, but over-exposed/bright in darkness. This combined with limbal rings now being gradients versus the solid ring they used to be means that they even appear to grow/shrink based on the time of day. Before 7.0, their lighting behaved in the exact opposite way, and I hope this and the solid ring can be returned to how they once were as Au Ra's limbal rings were a very distinct feature of their appearance.
The green lines in the above image showcase more examples of the affect that the enlarged pupils have on the iris, making it almost invisible at times.

Eyes (Continued)
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...cf69590f38.jpg
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...638c918333.jpg
While I don't think the 'realistic' eye catchlights look bad, I much prefer the old drawn ones. The old bright, defined catchlights had a lively aesthetic to them, they made characters' gazes look vibrant in even the worst lighting, while the new catchlights are often fuzzy and make most characters eyes look dead or cloudy in non-ideal lighting. I don't like the shift towards realism. I wish the new catchlights weren't realistic, for the sake of 'realism' sometimes they do not appear at all, and when the are visible they don't fit the aesthetic of the anime faces.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...723603b57c.gif
Adding on to my eye-based woes is the shape of the eye, the once sharp Au Ra♀ face 4 had its eye options softened, giving it a rounded appearance, with no recourse for anyone using the once angular and determined shapes.
The eyelashes are also now short and curved, reinforcing the gentle appearance.
I would like the old eye shape to be more faithfully recreated, and the eyelashes to be straightened again.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...061a03a4b3.png
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...f108b167e6.gif
Eyeshadow has also changed significantly since 6.5. The outer corner of the eyeshadow is now incredibly thick and points away from the outer corner of the eye at a noticeable angle, no longer tracing the shape of the eye itself. This looks weird, like someone is trying too hard to appear fashionable. I'd like if eyeshadow could more accurately follow the shape of the eye.

Facial Structure
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...131ab5696f.gif
Au Ra in 6.5 had no visible skin indentation at the infraorbital margin (the lower margin of the eye socket). This was also a racial characteristic that made them unique from hyurs and the more human-like races, and gave them a smooth appearance that looked much better than the tired look they have now. This 7.0 change alters the structure of the face and very noticeably changes the way light interacts with it. I would like these to be removed, and the racial uniqueness of Au Ra to be returned.

Facial Structure (Continued)
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...5954afbf47.gif
The cheekbones of face 4 are also much puffier and rounded than they were previously. The face was sleek and slender in 6.5, and has now completely lost that appearance. The deep infraorbital margins have also made these puffy cheeks even more distinct by sinking the skin above them. I hope the unnecessary fat can be removed from the cheeks again, as no option exists in character creation to fix this, and the now deleted sharpness of face 4 was its appeal.

Nose
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...d2a4b16a71.gif
I've noticed three major changes to nose 5:

• The base has changed shape, the sides of the base are angled more acutely and make the nose appear lower on the face.
• The nostrils which were previously shaped like gentle hills now have the appearance of tunnels.
• The bridge is a fraction as wide as it used to be.

The 7.0 nose is only similar to the 6.5 nose in that it has a similar size, could this have not been made into an additional nose instead of removing a previously existing one? I would like the old nose returned.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...78c77febd0.gif
Also, the scales at the top of the nose have been stretched awkwardly. I hope this can be corrected.

Mouth
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...07ee39a181.gif
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...090d61de91.png
The curves on mouth 1's lips have been completely flipped. In 6.5, the lower lip was shaped with concave angles and the upper lip was convex. In 7.0 this was reversed. Why? Even the mouth line was changed from a neutral frown to a gentle smile.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...42cd701b6c.gif
Additionally, they rest closed at a very unnatural angle and are now puffier than before. Mouth 1 permanently looks puckered, or like the character is trying to exhale through their mouth while hiding it.
And lastly, face 4's lips (without lipstick) are now glossier than they were in 6.5. I want the option to have matte lips back. These glossy lips catch light in such a way that they often light up and blend in with my characters pale blue skin and make her appear as if she has no lips at all.
These changes to mouth 1 just make no sense. I would like the lips in 7.0 to look like they did in 6.5, not like this. Yet again, I sadly have no option to fix this by using a fantasia potion.

Hair
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...f3bb7a760a.png
Hair coloring looks off now. The root of the hair is far darker than it used to be, and individual strands are incredibly pronounced now compared to before. I hope hair color can be corrected to be more uniform again.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...05ad947b5f.jpg
Also, hair is way too... greasy? Reflective? I even tested out pitch black hair, the darkest color option, and it looks really bad. Please tone this effect way down so hair doesn't look like it hasn't been washed in a month, or like its old and gray, when under bright lights.

Lighting
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...f1afbee3d9.jpg
I hope the following can be addressed:

1. Hair will cast shadows over the eyes, but not over the forehead above them? Also, the shadows cast by hair and headgear are jagged, low resolution, and unappealing, even with max settings.
2. Cheekbones are very bright under most overhead lights, while the cheeks themselves are shrouded in complete shadow and look terribly sunken. I hope this can be corrected, as it looks far worse than any poor lighting I saw before the 7.0 lighting revisions, and this issue appears far more frequently now than any did with 6.5 lighting.
3. The new lighting makes noses look far more pronounced than they were previously.
4. Skin appears rough like sandpaper in many locations, and incredibly oily.
5. Lower eyelids, lips, and teeth glow impossibly as if light is shining through the skull to illuminate them.

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To conclude, I wish 7.0 had simply increased the fidelity of the graphics I knew and loved, instead of deleting and replacing them with an unnecessarily changed parody. I wish the amount of care that went into preserving the style of graphics during the 1.0 -> 2.0 transition was present here. The style of the game has not been preserved, and I think the shift both towards realism and away from racial individuality is a mistake that should be reversed.

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I just wanted to second all of these eye issues even though I play on face 3. I think these particular issues are present across all female Au Ra faces, and it has dramatically changed the how the character looks and feels. The bigger eyes and more dialated pupil give them all this artificial doll-like look that I find kind of creepy and uncanny.

All these people that were like "You'll get used to it, just give it time!"
No. It's been over a month. My Au Ra flat out does not look the same.

All I wanted out of this graphical update to the characters was some higher quality textures. Not this entire universal 3D mesh rework that has seemed to kill all the individuality and personality from so many faces.

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Originally Posted by Louhikko

Let me guess, it's the nose 4? And I agree and I'm in same situation, the only nose I feel like fits nicely now looks off.

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Nose 3 actually, 4 is still too high up for me.

I decided to do a comparison image for Miqote Face 4 eyebrows and it's wild how little body they have now. I suspect that's contributing to the 'invisibility' of the Keeper brows. It's like they're balding :(

Keeper top, Seeker bottom
https://i.imgur.com/Cn1yDFK.png

Keeper brow in-game comparison screenshots
Endwalker vs Dawntrail
https://i.imgur.com/vWi9A2H.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/Y8N0Kg7.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/jVa01Ql.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/zFZA9jN.jpeg

Speaking of eyes, I just did a quest where an NPC is supposed to look at an item in her hand and it turns out like this:

https://i.imgur.com/lKpIXaP.png

Stayed like that the whole cutscene...

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

[*]Hair will cast shadows over the eyes, but not over the forehead above them? Also, the shadows cast by hair and headgear are jagged, low resolution, and unappealing, even with max settings.

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Shadow quality on faces is extremely disappointing. It's a far cry from the initial renders that they showed us. I think that alone is a big part of why characters look so bad in a lot of just normal lighting conditions.

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Originally Posted by Kaziek

Shadow quality on faces is extremely disappointing. It's a far cry from the initial renders that they showed us. I think that alone is a big part of why characters look so bad in a lot of just normal lighting conditions.

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It's a bug. I submitted a bug report about it which is now in "planning to address."

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It's a bug. I submitted a bug report about it which is now in "planning to address."

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Oh really? Glad to hear it! That will definitely help things a lot.

More Moonkeeper face 4 comparisons in different lighting options from the character creator. Endwalker's is more visible in all the lighting situations.
Endwalker vs Dawntrail
https://i.imgur.com/JDeHOwV.png

(DT spoilers)

I can't remember when it was posted nor can I find it but I think a lot about the comment someone made where they compared what happens in Living Memory to how they felt about losing their WoL due to the face changes. I know that sounds a little dramatic, but I can't help but relate. I even had a similar thing cross my mind when I was playing through it.

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I can't remember when it was posted nor can I find it but I think a lot about the comment someone made where they compared what happens in Living Memory to how they felt about losing their WoL due to the face changes. I know that sounds a little dramatic, but I can't help but relate. I even had a similar thing cross my mind when I was playing through it.

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Past version of reality obliterated at a system-wide level, all they'll let you experience now is the new version that they seem to think is a kindness but actually just leaves a raw-edged memory that things used to be different than this and the new reality isn't as it should be.

It's so nice of you to put DT spoliers in this thread. Especially considering that some people (me included) can't progress the story because of changes to our mains.

A spoiler tag exists, btw.

P.S. I hoped that at least this thread would have remained spoiler-free, but perish the thought.

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Originally Posted by Argantaelle

It's so nice of you to put DT spoliers in this thread. Especially considering that some people (me included) can't progress the story because of changes to our mains.

A spoiler tag exists, btw.

P.S. I hoped that at least this thread would have remained spoiler-free, but perish the thought.

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I'm really really sorry, I tried to keep the MSQ context out of the post but I should have spoil tagged the entire thing instead. I've edited spoiler tags around it, but I can't erase the quoted version.
I also understand your feelings and reasoning, I don't log in much due to the face changes since I pushed through the story.
Again, I'm really sorry.

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Apologies, I didn't think of it when I posted and I've hidden it now.

You still could have asked more nicely.

Beards and even more beards

Keeper of the Moon face 4 eyebrows night vs day. I need to force some darker lighting for Dawntrail's, the character creator just doesn't ever get as dark as the Endwalker one does. I also wanted to get a shot of them being without any shadow at all, but I can't get that perfectly with the Endwalker benchmark :(

Endwalker vs Dawntrail
https://i.imgur.com/D80ulbN.png

Keeper of the Moon face 4 comparison with the darkest skintones. The Dawntrail eyebrows are much more visible on the darkest tones than they are on the middle-range tones, but are still quite a bit fainter than the Endwalker version. The new eyebrows are clearly missing highlights that gave them shape, visibility, and depth.

Endwalker vs Dawntrail
https://i.imgur.com/gVoECae.png

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Originally Posted by JonborgVa

Yeah I get that with my Hyur Hair too, though its in the shape of a Y in the back of my head

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this is what I mean, That said I was playing with someone and they didn't show my character was balding so idk what to do

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...98a85dcfc0.png

so apparently the fix to this is increasing my resolution to the max and play full screen but the performance takes a nose dive into unplayable territory not to mention all the menu's are extremely tiny

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3e087a13b5132& what??

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Originally Posted by what-_-

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3e087a13b5132& what??

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Not what-_-