How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

L1 and up or down to select bomb from enemy list. I'm on PS4 and I've doing well with it. The 8th phase sucks cause there are more mobs so bomb won't show up on enmity list. I tell group to stack all together on a spot to minimize drops in the crowd. Worse comes to worse whm fluid aura can knock it out during that phase.

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Thanks, King. I'll try that out next attempts. I remember hearing about that a long time ago but never got use to using it as I changed the target settings to only select enemies and party members when weapon is drawn (I think other objects were included with that) but that solved a lot of targeting issues. No weapon drawn for gobwalking tho >.<

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Should I save legsweep and Jumps for Disembowel? Like if I just killed a mob and I'm running to the next, and Jump and Leg are the only oGCD ready, should I use them as soon as I can, or wait for ID>Dis first for the 10%?

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I personally blow leg sweep whenever, I do try to be conscious of doing too much before disembowel is up tho.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3036774

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Nice new video you added!

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Should I save legsweep and Jumps for Disembowel? Like if I just killed a mob and I'm running to the next, and Jump and Leg are the only oGCD ready, should I use them as soon as I can, or wait for ID>Dis first for the 10%?

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In terms of potency / time, the break-even point for whether to use a skill before or after a buff is the buff's effect times the cooldown.

Example: Leg Sweep immediately is the same potency / time as Leg Sweep with Disembowel but 2 seconds later. Unless Disembowel is the first available GCD or there are other buffs to activate, use Leg Sweep immediately after your next GCD.

Jump needs 3 seconds for Disembowel to pay off. So, it's more or less the same deal as Leg Sweep, but with the added caveat that you should continue into Chaos Thrust to get the benefit of Disembowel without halting GCDs, and even then you're cutting it really close to 3 seconds if you are latency-free. However! Power Surge is a bigger thing to be waiting on.

Spineshatter Dive and Dragonfire Dive need 6 seconds and 12 seconds respectively, so waiting for Disembowel is better potency than using it before.

Exercise 1: Will holding out for Heavy Thrust pay off?

If you don't have a combo to finish, sure. It's only one GCD, and the acceptable amount of time to hold for 15% is longer than for 10%, after which you can revert to the 10% calculations above, provided there is no IR or BfB to pop. Technically, losing Heavy Thrust is a bit worse than losing Blood of the Dragon in a general sense. In a practical sense, it rarely ever comes down to one or the other for more than a few seconds.

Exercise 2: Will Blood of the Dragon pay off?

ahahahahahaha this is above my pay grade

In practical terms, though:
- Whoever uses a skill the most times usually wins. Fights don't usually give you enough time for small potency gains to be noticeable over getting more uses.
- Whoever uses a skill that causes their own death usually loses.
- Whoever saves a gap closer for a good reason has diminished ~1.8% [Spineshatter] or ~1.1% [Dragonfire] of theoretical dummy DPS to save the >92% that has to be done up close. Uptime is the strongest buff in the game, period. (And lots of boss rotations sync up with cooldown timers anyway.)

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

Uptime is the strongest buff in the game, period.

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Sunny, I'm stealing this quote and passing it off as my own. It's only fair I let you know.

Please do. The most aphoristic version, the form I like to use, is "Uptime is the best buff."

It is the ABCs of caster dps, always be casting.

Anyone else rather annoyed that the Au Ra horns clip with the AF2 chestpiece's collar? I love this chest piece and I love my Au Ra, so disappointing.

If you're a miquote/au ra, and wear the body, do you have 2 tails?

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

If you're a miquote/au ra, and wear the body, do you have 2 tails?

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No, it replaces your tail.

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Originally Posted by Andyman

Anyone else rather annoyed that the Au Ra horns clip with the AF2 chestpiece's collar? I love this chest piece and I love my Au Ra, so disappointing.

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Au ra horns clip with everything but the tin can tank set, though.

Long hair clips with the collar like crazy. If they're going to keep designing chests with insanely high collars, I wish they'd add an option for an automatic ponytail when wearing them, like TERA and a couple others.

Nothing incredible, but something interesting that I've found. If you are out of range for piercing talon, but within range for jump, you can jump to the target, and then throw your spear before the jump takes you back out of range.

You can do this with anything. Sometimes if I just used a GCD, and the mob is running away and SSD/DFD are down, you can use Jump to get in range, and for the 0.5seconds that your character is close (before automatically jumping back to your start point), you can use your next GCD in the combo.

Interesting, I tried it out with a few different abilities but piercing talon was the only one I was able to do it with. I'll have to do some more tests on that one.

I have definitely used Disembowel on a boss, boss dashes away, I hit jump and as soon as my character is in range, I hit chaos thrust, as my character hops back to the starting position.

Try it on a dummy. Real simple:

1) Get about 10y away
2) Use Jump
3) Attempt to use True Thrust when close.

If your timing is right, you will Trust Thrust successfully before jumping back. In practice you would use it on whatever the next appropriate GCD would be. (I wish we could use this as a way to cancel the second half of Jump's animation to make it like a SSD gap close, but alas...)

That's uh... Interesting. Never thought you could use Jump like that... Very useful for PvP though, for those quick ganks.

I usually use it to chunk the last 10% of a pesky ninjas hp before they can run too far away.

It literally moves your character to the mob for the 1.5seconds of animation (unlike FFXI's Jump where you are actually rooted in place despite the animation showing you diving on the mob.) As you know, this is why you would sometimes take damage from the electrofields in T10 when using Jump. In PVP, could use it to gank with Jump+Phlebotomize or something.

Hmm...will have to give it a go. I get annoying latency when i'm trying to speed through my rotation though - most luck i get is with SSD or DFD. When I pop it sometimes it doesn't use the CD but the move happens anyway :D I don't think the damage goes off which is a little meh, but it gets me to the boss and i can then use it again straight away or as what usually happens, i weave it between my next combo etc.

Or for pvp:

Piercing Talon from far-> Jump->Legsweep when in range->Piercing Talon as you are jumping back->Close the distance and use a close range GCD while they're stunned.

Could you use this to do something like GCD > Power Surge+Jump, hit your next GCD halfway through the jump, then another oGCD when you land?

Would have to try it out I suppose. You can only do an action on the second half of Jump's animation i.e. the 'jump-back' part. The window is quite small as it's the time between after landing on the mob, and the split second you're still in range of the mob AS you're hopping back.

You can also do geri and sometimes I was able to finish my chaos thrust might have been absolute perfect timing or just the stiance since I noticed closer jumps allow for more melee abilities.

I've actually used Jump + SSD to close almost the full range of each combined (targets in A3 move a lot...). Kind of tricky. Nobody noticed :(

Yeah, you could conceivably teleport through an entire battlefield in 2 seconds by: reverse-EJing, SSD onto a distant mob, Jump on to a different mob, >cancel into DFD on another mob

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Yeah, you could conceivably teleport through an entire battlefield in 2 seconds by: reverse-EJing, SSD onto a distant mob, Jump on to a different mob, >cancel into DFD on another mob

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Tab target tornado, end up DfDing into middle of puddle. rip in pieces. Anyone else annoyed that you can still target the tornado in add phase?

Here's something fun I was toying around with today. As I was working on my guide, I thought back to my hypothesis from a while back that we'd get extra Geirskoguls per minute at a GCD length of 2.30 seconds or shorter. I made this write-up on the topic (page 29 if the link isn't working properly) fleshing out how I thought it would work. Then, for kicks, put on all of my highest SS gear, got a SCH to help out, and tested it. Here's the video I recorded. The 2.30 figure is still just theoretical (I couldn't reach it without those healer buffs), but at some point around that number, we definitely do becoming capable of cranking out extra Geirskoguls, for a total of about 3 1/2 per minute.

Anyway, this is just a quirky hypothetical that I'm playing around with for now, but since we can reach upwards of 900 SS at i210, this may conceivably be the DRG meta at some point, assuming there are plenty of phase transitions for TP replenishment in relevant endgame content later on. On the other hand, it could just be a pointless pipe dream. (I'm kind of leaning towards "pipe dream" on account of the extreme CT clipping and wacky secondary stat distribution...)

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Originally Posted by Orlandeu

Tab target tornado, end up DfDing into middle of puddle. rip in pieces. Anyone else annoyed that you can still target the tornado in add phase?

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You can AoE off of it, so it's pretty useful :p

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Originally Posted by Thendiel

Don't let your dreams, be dreams.

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Kinda reminds me of the old "What do when we get 620SS" thing back in 2.0 and we were going through all the different possible scenarios with our rotation, such as switching to H P IDC TTT, or H IDC P F TTT, etc.

Quick question if I'm trying to hit a positional does it calculate it when the ability hits or when I use the ability? Like I use chaos thrust on the rear then move to the side to avoid an aoe or something so that when it hits I'm facing the flank.

Also, if I have a buff up like blood for blood and I use an attack and it falls off before it completes does it apply to the attack or does it not?

It counts as soon as you press the ability. It's the reason why good players are able to hit positions whilst avoiding AoEs. They prefected the timings with their GCD. Also, no. if BFB falls off, it falls off. Though, if you activate a Skill with BFB up, and it falls off before the hit registers on the NPC, that skill is still buffed.

The Magic happens on skill activation.

Thank you Dervy!

Nvm, found it.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Kinda reminds me of the old "What do when we get 620SS" thing back in 2.0 and we were going through all the different possible scenarios with our rotation, such as switching to H P IDC TTT, or H IDC P F TTT, etc.

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Those were the days. I'm going to have to delete my whole Fracture section now, haha.

You've got two of the same rings it seems, if you replace the duplicate gordian ring with a fabled ring you get 639 accuracy with 637 ss.

All I'm gonna say is that A4S accuracy is above 645. I do know, roughly what it is, but I'll not post the sets until Elysium/Lucrezia and other FC's who start to clear it start posting information.

As for A3S, the accuracy is 638-640. I think it's 639, which is exactly dead on the set I posted in the OP.

Well, that answers the question that I was going to ask. 17 misses on our AS3 attempts tonight, thank you RNJEsus.

Proposed Bis for 646 accuracy and 590 SkS - total weight = 1722.943
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RFBY

other than getting the spear and being Gobtwine heavy, it's a pretty easy to assemble set. Now if minimum accuracy ends up being 647+ .........
back to the drawing board :p

Edit: Also a proposed pre-A4 BiS for 652 acc and 601 SkS - total weight 1661.086.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RFCL

This set requires 12 weeks of esos, 12 weeks of A1 manifestos (assuming you get 0 drops), 6 weeks of A2 manifestos (assuming gloves don't drop)
and also safely assumes you receive 1 Gobtwine and 1 Gobcoat, although neither is required for this set to still be feasible for clearing A4. A3 loot isn't counted because hopefully it takes less than 6 weeks to down A4 after that, and I can't assume good RNG in crafting a pre-A4 BiS.

Disclaimer: Pre-A4 BiS is designed for people with the worlds worst RNG to still be competitively geared for A4s in a time frame that I would expect the average progression static to clear savage Alex. Top 10% need not be offended by this gear set, but feel free to improve upon it as your available gear allows

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

For A4 Savage if the accuracy is around 640 - 645 then this Set might be good in my opinion. It has a strict Skillspeed though, which is around 593. The total weight is 1727.029 though, if I didn't calculated wrong.
Any suggestions to other BiS Sets when going for Savage considering accuracy is about 640 - 645 due to front adds?

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Well you can't have the Gordian Trident if you didn't down A4S already D:

Are there any other sites like Ariyala? For some reason my work decided to block it as "Adult/mature content". I can use my phone but it's kinda finicky. Any suggestions?

Also, those monk buffs 0.0

#IamSecond

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Are there any other sites like Ariyala? For some reason my work decided to block it as "Adult/mature content". I can use my phone but it's kinda finicky. Any suggestions?

Also, those monk buffs 0.0

#IamSecond

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I noticed the same thing with content filters classifying Ariyala as "Adult/Mature". Luckily I control the content filtering so it's not an issue for me, but I will say that the solver on Ariyala is completely trash now at least for monk since 3.0 when changing the weights. I've had to hand calculate a lot of things since the sets Ariyala was giving me were completely wrong when you do the math. I haven't updated the old spreadsheet I stole from Dervy and modified for monk gear.

Anyway, that's your best bet. Use a spreadsheet as it is more accurate and more flexible. I'd see if Dervy has a new one he's willing to share with you guys or you can make your own.

Yeah DRG has it pretty good right now, can't really think of anything they can do to enhance the job. However, a quality of life adjustment would be to unlock animation lock for Jump even further (when SSD or DFD actually lands on the target, you can move your character left/right, but with Jump, you're locked). Currently it's difficult to avoid an AoE until very late in Jump's animation, making it very dangerous. Literally the most annoying thing about DRG is using Jump and committing to not moving for almost a whole GCD, which sucks for positionals/avoiding damage e.g. if you just used jump, after a chaos thrust and Wheeling Thrust procs, but the mob turns, you would basically lose your rear positional because you would have no time to strafe around before the GCD is up due to Jump's animation lock, whereas SSD and DFD unlock your movement after impact.