Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Yeah and I love the defense of Zenimax. If ESO's story was linear as XIV you can bet your life they'd sell a skip. They can be fairly greedy. I haven't played ESO, but I've seen the stuff they put into their other cash shops. Now I wouldn't say it's Nexxon levels, but it's up there.

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"I didnt play game x, but i know game x bad. Final Fantasy perfect!" lol

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

Also if people didn’t care about wow story then why would there be outside the game material like books and comics etc. if they had diminishing returns they wouldn’t invest in it. Also that goes into Wotlk people loved it because it brought in a character they loved in their story and lore and it gave that a conclusion. Heck I remember having to watch a 35 min sort of lore video to understand the premise of Arthus and why he was a big deal.

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As you said, the books brought lore. The stories were always neglectable. Which is why when WOTLK was current everyone (warning hyperbole before you want to comment "BuT I KNoW PeOplE ThaT LikEd It") was making fun of the story and how Arthas is potrayed.

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

These forums are an echo chamber of negativity and sadly with no mod intervention they’ve began to ferment and secrete into all aspects of discussion..

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If you want a positive circlejerk where every slight form of negativity towards the game is removed, may i advise you to join the FFXIV subreddit?

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

"I didnt play game x, but i know game x bad. Final Fantasy perfect!" lol

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A lot of communities is this way though. Just look at the wow community that still thinks FF is "just a weeb game lol" until some bigger names on Twitch moved over, then suddenly it was cool.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

If you want a positive circlejerk where every slight form of negativity towards the game is removed, may i advise you to join the FFXIV subreddit?

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It's obvious you and I don't see eye to eye on some subjects but two wrongs don't make a right. Both platforms should be able to have legitimate discussions but in both places, if you have constructive discussions (wherever it's deemed positive or negative towards the game) it seems to end in name-calling or non-constructive discussion points.

Discuss in good faith = you're coping, or white knighting for SE/defending X thing

Meanwhile, if you say something negative about the game on Reddit = -129235235 comment points or whatever it's called, it's rarely a post/comment gets removed unless it breaks some rules though.

I suppose that's one of the reasons, ffxivdiscussion was formed but last I checked it spun out of control too.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

"I didnt play game x, but i know game x bad. Final Fantasy perfect!" lol

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I never said ESO is or was bad. I said Zenimax is trash due to playing other Bethesda games and seeing how greedy they are in those other cash shops. That they definitely would sell you a story skip if the story was more linear. As that was what is being used as a reason why people buy skips for XIV. In that unlike its predecessor of XI. It doesn't allow you the freedom to enjoy the various stories in whatever order you want to. Unless you're doing Rhapsody of Vana'deil. Where it'll make you go through all the other stories. Since there's rarely a time the game makes you go do a story line. There is or was the gear up grade npc that wouldn't allow you to upgrade unless you did complete the one story line they're tied to. They could have changed that since I last played, but I kind of doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Meanwhile, if you say something negative about the game on Reddit = -129235235 comment points or whatever it's called, it's rarely a post/comment gets removed unless it breaks some rules though.

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I've only recently gotten around to signing up for Reddit – not just for FFXIV, but an assortment of things – and I feel like it really suffers for downvotes not differentiating between "I disagree" and "this is a badly informed post that should be hidden from view". If I say a thing and it gets no replies but gets downvotes, I don't even learn what I've said wrong or whether I've given incorrect information.

This isn't an issue for the bulk of my conversations there, which usually neutral or slightly upvoted, but on the occasion where it does come up as an issue it's very frustrating.

But I'm inclined to blame that on social media as a whole and what it's done to people's communication skills.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

They can make this game more alt friendly without needing story skip but they won’t. Money comes first.

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THIS RIGHT HERE....is the root of this whole thread. people with alts wanting a easy way to get to current content without A) having to actually play the content and B) without having to pay for a skip.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Yeah because so many people have alts in this game lmao

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So are you saying you know for a fact there arnt many people that have Alts?
Even though there are people here who have alts?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

werent you the one saying that it was fine to gear up all jobs on one character to BiS and that they didnt need alts ?

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Yes you can, and its fine to Gear all Classes on 1 character. Because of this, there is no reason to have Alts.
But No, I didnt say anything about BiS. I said there is nothing stopping you from Gearing your Job.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Now all of a sudden alts are being made for that and for raiding ?

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You have pretty bad reading skills it seems.
Im saying people make Alts, thats part of why Skips are popular on the Market. That and people who just want to Raid and dont care about the story.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So are you saying you know for a fact there arnt many people that have Alts?
Even though there are people here who have alts?



Yes you can, and its fine to Gear all Classes on 1 character. Because of this, there is no reason to have Alts.
But No, I didnt say anything about BiS. I said there is nothing stopping you from Gearing your Job.



You have pretty bad reading skills it seems.
Im saying people make Alts, thats part of why Skips are popular on the Market. That and people who just want to Raid and dont care about the story.

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100% agree with this. you literally can't tell anymore who is legit new and who isn't because a large portion of the playerbase has alts.

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But I'm inclined to blame that on social media as a whole and what it's done to people's communication skills.

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I feel old for saying that it was better pre-social media era. In many areas. Communication, dating to name a few.

The story is perfect as it is. If you can't sit through the beautifully crafted cutscenes and dialogue presented by the writers at Square Enix then you are not worthy of playing our game. You should not even feel any urges to skip through it. You should be naturally drawn into it and if you are not then you do not fit in here within our community. Cutscene skippers are terrible people.

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

The story is perfect as it is. If you can't sit through the beautifully crafted cutscenes and dialogue presented by the writers at Square Enix then you are not worthy of playing our game. You should not even feel any urges to skip through it. You should be naturally drawn into it and if you are not then you do not fit in here within our community. Cutscene skippers are terrible people.

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