Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

literally just ran into a team of 4 samurai, if you think the instant death problem is a non issue you are lying to yourself.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Enjoy noncontributing in teamfights and ending with less damage than BRD.

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Funny you say that, because he does play BRD.

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Originally Posted by Kathleen_

I guarantee you that having to deal with 10-15 SAMs, especially on Secure, is not an extreme but the norm on JP DCs. DRKs are also extremely easy to grief as SAM if you know that they're pushing without LB.

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Literally it's Japanese Shogun Wars on JP Secure. Tons of SAM and NIN and mind you, the playstyle is different than NA's style that's just looping each posts... We do 8v8 there.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Literally it's Japanese Shogun Wars on JP Secure. Tons of SAM and NIN and mind you, the playstyle is different than NA's style that's just looping each posts... We do 8v8 there.

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WAIT WHAT?! YOU GUYS GOT 8V8 SECURE?!

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

WAIT WHAT?! YOU GUYS GOT 8V8 SECURE?!

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Lol basically each of our alliance (A and C) go to left and right's posts, while B go to middle, and after B done with the drone, they help one of the side that's losing :)

I wish people in na realised just how many points you get for holding on to 3 bases on secure, it's actually a huge win if you can.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Lol basically each of our alliance (A and C) go to left and right's posts, while B go to middle, and after B done with the drone, they help one of the side that's losing :)

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Oh my gawd, I remember when NA used to do that. Then somehow the meta became "92-99% of the team run to the 1st wave of drones and maybe, just maybe you have a person or two try to claim an adjacent flag, assuming the other team didn't send an extra person to outnumber you. And then your team proceeds to get less points than 1 actual drone because they're morons that don't know what to actually do at mid. They just know they have to be there for some reason."

Which change to Zantetsuken do y'all think would be more fair?

A change to, "If target is afflicted with Kuzushi, deals damage equal to 99% of their maximum HP."
Or removing "Ignores the effects of Guard when dealing damage."


Personally I enjoy the one-shot, but I dissaprove of the suicide samurai playstyle. Removing 100% health damage pretty much eliminates the suicide samurai and makes it a tool for dueling again. I think Zantetsuken is important for shutting down Battle High V melees who would otherwise never die. Giving Guard counter play to it gives more agency to the person on the receiving end as they could just guard through Kuzushi.

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Originally Posted by brancinaed

Which change to Zantetsuken do y'all think would be more fair?

A change to, "If target is afflicted with Kuzushi, deals damage equal to 99% of their maximum HP."
Or removing "Ignores the effects of Guard when dealing damage."


Personally I enjoy the one-shot, but I dissaprove of the suicide samurai playstyle. Removing 100% health damage pretty much eliminates the suicide samurai and makes it a tool for dueling again. I think Zantetsuken is important for shutting down Battle High V melees who would otherwise never die. Giving Guard counter play to it gives more agency to the person on the receiving end as they could just guard through Kuzushi.

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honestly, removing it ignoring guard would..... well... be a BIG nerf but a needed one.

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Originally Posted by brancinaed

Which change to Zantetsuken do y'all think would be more fair?

A change to, "If target is afflicted with Kuzushi, deals damage equal to 99% of their maximum HP."
Or removing "Ignores the effects of Guard when dealing damage."


Personally I enjoy the one-shot, but I dissaprove of the suicide samurai playstyle. Removing 100% health damage pretty much eliminates the suicide samurai and makes it a tool for dueling again. I think Zantetsuken is important for shutting down Battle High V melees who would otherwise never die. Giving Guard counter play to it gives more agency to the person on the receiving end as they could just guard through Kuzushi.

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I think from both a gameplay perspective and a job fantasy perspective, I'd say just remove the "ignores guard" effect since you could keep the power behind the LB, while still offering some kind of counterplay.