New summoner is unacceptable

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Originally Posted by Limecat

The biggest thing that jumps out about this new version of SMN is that it feels like they didn't quite want to commit 100% to the new direction. Like, Painflare/Fester/Energy Drain should have just been removed, and replaced with the attunement charges. Adjust the attunement potencies a bit to account for the loss of the two OGCD hits. Since carby is now a thing again, they should also give him a stripped-down lower potency version of DWT very early on, so the removal of that mechanic in synced content is no longer a thing.

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If they remove ED and such they would have had to replace them with some other set of oGCD abilities. The rotation already feels a bit barren, if they just axed those and didn't replace them, it'd be even more apparent.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd777

Just found this post and seems just like a bunch of people whinning about how others people should not have fun with the class if they don't have fun with it.

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Imagine being egocentric to the point that someone saying they don't like something means, to you, that you aren't allowed to like something. Kinda hysterical if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Nah, people are upset because some enjoy playstyles that have a bit of depth and a higher skill ceiling to work towards. But, SE keeps removing this depth and offering nothing in return. It was Machinist last expansion, and this expansion it's Summoner.

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It wasn't skill. It was busy work. Stop confusing them. True juggling with more than 4 objects is a skill. Juggling a handful of buttons isn't skill. Being able to type over 70wpm is a good thing to be able to do, but it doesn't make you better at your IRL job (unless you're a transcriptionist). It just makes you a better typer. It would be weird to be weirdly prideful about typing skill, unless you were typing at double that speed, which an equivalent in this game doesn't exist. And typing speed is literally a direct analogy.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Imagine being egocentric to the point that someone saying they don't like something means, to you, that you aren't allowed to like something. Kinda hysterical if you ask me.

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When the people complaining are advocating for reversion, that is exactly how those statements should be taken. Someone else made the best comment in the thread, which was to the effect that the people that dismissed naysayers of previous patches to summoner by saying they should try another job, should swallow their own medicine now.

I actually am loving it so far. It feels very powerful and you always have something to do, it never feels like you are waiting for a cooldown. And I am only level 71 so I don't even have Phoenix yet. I love being able to hit Garuda and just dump a whole bunch of damage during a movement phase

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Originally Posted by LMMotoss

I actually am loving it so far. It feels very powerful and you always have something to do, it never feels like you are waiting for a cooldown. And I am only level 71 so I don't even have Phoenix yet. I love being able to hit Garuda and just dump a whole bunch of damage during a movement phase

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We had Dreadwyrm trance for that reason :'[

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

When the people complaining are advocating for reversion, that is exactly how those statements should be taken.

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Not really, just because they liked certain aspects of the older version and would like them to be considered doesn't really mean that you aren't able to feel like the job is fun and disagree with them. That's what discussion is. So no one that enjoyed summoner before is able to give feedback, otherwise they're trying to ruin YOUR fun? You're playing with other people that have different tastes than you, and they are able to express them, this isn't a personal attack to yourself. This is the forum of the game, that's what this place is for.

And this goes for both sides.

If you can't handle that you play a game with a bunch of other people that might disagree with you to the point that you act like it's a personal attack to your preferences, either argument the reasons you feel these decisions are better or leave. Crying about how someone wants to destroy your fun is pathetic and dramatic. Acting like people that enjoy old summoner are some sort of enemies that should just suffer and be forever silenced is ridiculous. They're players just like you, they should be able to express what they feel. And you, as I said, disagree with them - but without being a petty drama queen while you're at it. This isn't the high school, ffs.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

When the people complaining are advocating for reversion, that is exactly how those statements should be taken. Someone else made the best comment in the thread, which was to the effect that the people that dismissed naysayers of previous patches to summoner by saying they should try another job, should swallow their own medicine now.

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Maybe, but one version had 8 years of history and solid fan base who feel betrayed by this redesign. It would be like me to ask that a job I don't play be completely redesign to my whims, and to hell with the people that currently enjoy it. I think your argument would have held up better with 2.0 when all jobs were new and fresh, were nobody had in vested ties to it.

Also, acting like people that dislike the new version necessarily wants a copy and paste version of the old summoner or didn't recognize any flaws in the old version is such an extremist vision of the situation. There might be people that loved the new aesthetic changes, but disliked the lack of something else, or even enjoyed part of the new mechanics, but not all of them and so it goes. Acting like anyone that dislikes it is part of a beehive that wants to destroy what you enjoy is, again, egocentric, hysterical and childish even. I would refrain from even accessing forums for discussing anything if you're going to take things this way, it might be bad for your mental health honestly.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Also, acting like people that dislike the new version necessarily wants a copy and paste version of the old summoner or didn't recognize any flaws in the old version is such an extremist vision of the situation. There might be people that loved the new aesthetic changes, but disliked the lack of something else, or even enjoyed part of the new mechanics, but not all of them and so it goes. Acting like anyone that dislikes it is part of a beehive that wants to destroy what you enjoy is, again, egocentric, hysterical and childish even. I would refrain from even accessing forums for discussing anything if you're going to take things this way, it might be bad for your mental health honestly.

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Hello, I'm one such person.
I'm mixed in regards to this but my general perception leans towards not good due to the problems I have listed. Always have I admitted flaws with the older iterations, because I hold the opinion... if you love something, you need to be willing to admit it's faults.

The excessive attempts at trying to drown out people's genuine concerns and feedback need to stop.