Revelations from Patch 2.55 [SPOILERS]

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Weapon Damage > all stats. Have you ever fought with a broken weapon? Even if everything else is working, you do peanuts for damage. If they took your weapon, you wouldn't be able to fight at all.

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That's GAMEPLAY. Not story. You see Raubahn kicking down pillars with his feet?

And the whole story of "we don't have our weapon" is just assumption anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

It wouldn't have been a one-on-one fight, either. The dining hall / royal palace was swarming with Brass Blades and Crystal Braves; even if we had our weapons, it's unlikely we could have taken them all on.

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That's impossible. You can't just port in an whole army. That's exactly the point. If they rang the alarm bell, everyone in the city would know this. If they don't - and since they can just say, nothing special happened, beside Raubahn slashing a Lala - then there are no swarms.

If you accept one point, then the next makes even less sense. And even if: the whole army can't just teleport in and there is only one door leading to the room.

By the way: maybe some of the Sultansworn are corrupt, but if they see, that the Monetarians with the help of foreign mercenaries are fighting the Royalists - whom would they - in total - help? The Sultansworn are the Sultanas' guard.

Yeah, yeah, we know, the Lolopoly-Man bought them all - but you know: this would **** even more, if he really could do this. More than the other problems. It would mean, that Uldah is even worse than the empire.

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Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

That's GAMEPLAY. Not story. You see Raubahn kicking down pillars with his feet?

And the whole story of "we don't have our weapon" is just assumption anyway.

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Again You are WRONG it HAS been addressed in the story line about being HELPLESS WITHOUT your weapon and being tied up. Mhor Dhona you are infiltrating the Castrum there to free both Minfillia, Tataru, Urianger, and Papalymo. They are ALL tied up and Urianger and Papalymo are BEGGING you to hurry up and UNTIE them so they are able to assist you with fighting. Therefore your blast on trying to blow the whole story of not having our weapons has been busted.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Again You are WRONG it HAS been addressed in the story line about being HELPLESS WITHOUT your weapon and being tied up. Mhor Dhona you are infiltrating the Castrum there to free both Minfillia, Tataru, Urianger, and Papalymo. They are ALL tied up and Urianger and Papalymo are BEGGING you to hurry up and UNTIE them so they are able to assist you with fighting. Therefore your blast on trying to blow the whole story of not having our weapons has been busted.

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I don't care for Mor Dhona. It's a totally different scenario and it made sense.

But I won't discuss with you, since it is impossible. You don't argue, you just demand that it is like that.

right i'm demanding just the same as you are

edit: and No there is no assumption that you do not have your weapon on you. I can always see myself with my weapons when I have the cutscenes unless I have weapon view turned off. When you are with the sultana you ARE weaponless (i turned my weapons back on and it's kind of hard to miss this huge ass WHM Animus staff on my back even with complete demon healing gear on which by the way the Thyrus animus was not on my back as it was when I started up The Wrym's Roar.... hmmmm)

I don't demand it. But my point is as valid as yours. And it raises questions. You and many others just ignore them. That's the problem of this discussion, which is none, because you just kill it with this kind of dourness.

People don't get it, that writers NEED critic. This way they/we develop. Sure, it's fine if people love a good story. But it's bad if they just worship everything you do. This takes any meaning out of it and your work. If you simply say "YEAH! GREAT! OMG! SO *** GOOD!" to anything I do, I just can't take your opinion serious, it would not help me in any way.

People who don't see the obvious plot holes in the story just don't want to see them. That's fine for them, but not for the plot holes or the developers. It's a typical human behavior by the way. Little holes, people ignore them and so they become bigger.

The point of such threads is not, that they change the story. But to show them plot holes, so they can solve them and avoid them in future. The story as it is won't be changed anymore.

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IF the weapon is gone: where is it? And who says that it can be seen all the time? There are weapon like Odin's, which are just a hilt, until you draw it. Would they take a hilt from you? And so on.

No. There is no cutscene showing, that they take your weapons. So it is just a assumption, that you don't got it.

Give me a valid plot hole then and we can discuss it. I am a writer and I haven't seen a single plot hole. The way they did it they took everything into consideration from politics to psychology of the human mind and how people react. The ones you have repeatedly tried to point out have already been rebuffed with valid arugments without having to bring up hitler or an a skewed idea of false propaganda on what the American Justice system is like.

The only thing I found too obvious in this was as I had stated in another thread was as soon as I saw the vial picked up and the cutscene with Laurentis' face, I knew the Sultana was going to be poisoned and my character was going to be blame for it and I was hoping such an obvious plot development wouldn't go through, however it did and the execution of everything else is fine.

You have already read them. Your last post alone just proves, that your main defense is ignoring them and simply facts, so why ask? Just to provoke?

I said give me valid ones not give same ones because they have already been disproved. It is not provoking I want good plot holes that haven't already either been answered within the game themselves or can not be answered logically. You're the one that seems to want to feel you are being provoked. Why feel that way when you insist that you're completely right on it?

None of them were disproved. You just say "NO! It isn't!" That's no proof. People like you are just killing off the whole debate. Especially in threads like the other one, started to discuss the plot holes. Then people come in: "There are no plot holes!"

Just going to throw in the obvious of course they would take the warrior of lights weapons.. what is the point of tying you up if they leave you armed..? Also they didn't show you being searched but still had the vial you had in your bags so its implied they did so..

How is there such a huge argument over the ending..? The warrior of light would have lost, and even had he/she not all that does is leave a trail of murdered people to add to your regicide charge.. it would have been stupid to resist let alone fight back in the middle of the city where /everyone is potentially hostile/