So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

While there's no confirmation, there is a high likelihood that PotD may not benefit someone past 60. When Heavensward launched, all the level 50 dungeons provided no experience points for quite some time because SE wants people in the new areas/dungeons. This same logic can be applied to PotD, ideally SE doesn't want people just cramming into PotD instead of actually doing the expansion content.

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Good point, I'd completely forgotten about that---RIP... Can only hope it won't be the case this time but definitely not holding my breath for that change either.

Two more days and we'll finally get our answers. Hope Samurai (if at all) is a fun job, tank or dps. DRK kind of turned me off of the TP/MP management. If I were to tank, I want to focus on just holding hate and dpsing, not stance dancing or micro managing.

Samurai would be a good opportunity to introduce a fresh new way to tank, like relying on combos to not only deal strong damage, but to hold emnity (skillchains). A couple useful AoE weaponskills (or an AoE hate combo). A few defensive cooldowns to mitigate damage, and a high block rate with your sword. Heck counter attacks that can restore HP when used -- so every time an enemy hits you you can counter back for a fraction of it's damage and the numbers you dish restores your HP.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Says who? POTD is used to level now from 1 all the way to 60.

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I've heard that 50-60 is more efficient through regular dungeons instead. Could always be wrong. However, for your first char, you would want to follow the 4.0 dungeons and story and not grind in PoTD. Therefore PoTD won't be a quality option in case DF is busted.

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

Two more days and we'll finally get our answers. Hope Samurai (if at all) is a fun job, tank or dps. DRK kind of turned me off of the TP/MP management. If I were to tank, I want to focus on just holding hate and dpsing, not stance dancing or micro managing.

Samurai would be a good opportunity to introduce a fresh new way to tank, like relying on combos to not only deal strong damage, but to hold emnity (skillchains). A couple useful AoE weaponskills (or an AoE hate combo). A few defensive cooldowns to mitigate damage, and a high block rate with your sword. Heck counter attacks that can restore HP when used -- so every time an enemy hits you you can counter back for a fraction of it's damage and the numbers you dish restores your HP.

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I imagine SAM would be high crit based, with like bloodletter type procs on a crit or something, besides that im ok with tank or dps, really.

I hope they don't nerf POTD T_T It is a nice way to level..they also said they are adding a new POTD, but they just said "in 4.0" I think, so that could be any time really...

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Then there's zero point in balancing it ever and thus the argument about restoring balance is entirely pointless and invalid.

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This.

I'm confident that we'll see at least 1 of each role. And still confident in BLU and DNC, based on the shirt and hints from the Stormblood video. Yes, SAM was found in dat files, but it's inconclusive. Could be that they're just adding NPCs that are Samurai. Could be old "trash" code from another branch when they were considering to put SAM in Heavensward instead of DRK. Could be a purposeful troll. Could not even mean Samurai.

That said, if we have 3 jobs, one of each role, SAM could still be included (in my prediction). BLU tank, DNC healer, SAM dps.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Just to add to the balance thing though, you don't want too many jobs eating off the same main stat materia unless you want imbalanced materia consumption / have an effect on cost - or they tweak the rate of materia to approx. the new demand.

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Materia? Really? Materia use and consumption has pretty much zero impact on determining new jobs and their main stats. That's such a non-issue man. The materia economy isn't going to just explode. Not to mention, they've talked about things like removing/majorly altering the Parry and Accuracy stats, and have made adjustments to Determination in the past which will have and has had impacts on materia markets/value. The effects of the market value of materia is of zero consideration or importance for them I can assure you.

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Tbh I'd rather keep PotD than run a billion FATEs though, so hopefully it doesn't turn into that (I can't know what contents they'll have available but I assume FATEs would be one of the EXP routes after MSQ, maybe a nonissue).

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You may not like running FATEs, but they'd be new FATEs in new areas and SE absolutely wants people doing them. They botched it with Heavensward's launch by making the 3.0 FATEs not worth doing exp wise which resulted in people spamming northern thanalan FATEs instead, so they likely won't make that mistake again.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

That said, if we have 3 jobs, one of each role, SAM could still be included (in my prediction). BLU tank, DNC healer, SAM dps.

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Did you forget about the already announced Red Mage DPS?

All I know is, I've got my front row seat ready for FanFest tomorrow, I'm gonna have this thread open and my god will I be refreshing it like crazy! xP My predictions though, just for the sake of it? SAM confirmed, as either Tank/DPS, I don't really care. And I've got a weird gut feeling that we'll be seeing a third job of some kind, not sure why, maybe Dancer? The elusive Chemist? Either way, I've got 1mil gil bet on SAM with a bunch of friends, let's see if I end up being rich or poor xD

Chemist healer would be really really interesting. First DoW to break the healer Role...

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

You may not like running FATEs, but they'd be new FATEs in new areas and SE absolutely wants people doing them. They botched it with Heavensward's launch by making the 3.0 FATEs not worth doing exp wise which resulted in people spamming northern thanalan FATEs instead, so they likely won't make that mistake again.

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What a disappointment that was too. I like FATEs, but HW FATEs are still not what they should be. Would rather run dungeons, or grab beast tribe and hunts if pressed for time.

What time does the German fan fest start? Then we should know the last job.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

What time does the German fan fest start? Then we should know the last job.

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1:30 am pst on the 18th.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Materia? Really? Materia use and consumption has pretty much zero impact on determining new jobs and their main stats. That's such a non-issue man. The materia economy isn't going to just explode. Not to mention, they've talked about things like removing/majorly altering the Parry and Accuracy stats, and have made adjustments to Determination in the past which will have and has had impacts on materia markets/value. The effects of the market value of materia is of zero consideration or importance for them I can assure you.

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It would be incredibly silly to not think about the market in every marketable activity you do in an mmorpg, and as you remove stats the stats left become more important to be divided intelligently. To make repeated simple mistakes like that would be troublesome, of course by themselves it wouldn't be a massive issue but would likely reveal small differences in price growing as demand (we already have that, purposely exaggerating differences would be worse - being mindful of what you have, or paying attention to rates is all you need though). It is definitely not nonissue but solutions available are quite simple (like adjusting rates of materia drops).

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

You may not like running FATEs, but they'd be new FATEs in new areas and SE absolutely wants people doing them. They botched it with Heavensward's launch by making the 3.0 FATEs not worth doing exp wise which resulted in people spamming northern thanalan FATEs instead, so they likely won't make that mistake again.

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I have no doubts they'll add more FATEs and want people to partake in the new areas, but I do not like FATEs. They're a boring content, imo (due to the two common extremes, zerg or entirely vacant - in which both scenario FATEs have issue balancing well to). Would much rather have the best spam EXP source be PotD or dungeons (roulette makes them great for the first go at least).

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

tanks, healers, and dps are close to their ideal ratio of 1:1:2, the same as light party compositions. 3 tanks, 3 healers, 7 dps. Adding 2 new dps jobs unbalances this ratio, making it a 1:1:3 ratio.

Thus, adding 1 tank, 1 healer, and 1 dps actually makes it a true 1:1:2 ratio, thus balance is restored. See? I can do it too.

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This is the best way.

1 new dps per tank, 1 new dps per healer.

PLD, WAR, DRK, BLU - 4
MNK, DRG, NIN, MCH - 4
BLM, SMN, RDM, BRD - 4
WHM, SCH, AST, DNC - 4

Perfect duty finder balance :).

(Probably, maybe, not BLU or DNC though)

For some reason I get really excited about the idea of running dungeons with a Blue, Red, Black, White party :p

2 dps will balance it out?
Queue times would then go either way, either longer then it is currently (which is absolutely disgusting) or shorter times (have doubts)
RM is of course dps but i really do not think more dps is needed. A new tank and possibly healer is a better way to go

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Chemist healer would be really really interesting. First DoW to break the healer Role...

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What makes you feel like Chemist would be a DoW class? Just curious. I always thought Alchemy was considered a kind of magic in FFXIV, even if its more of a Science.

I can't wait I'm so excited. I'm going to bed early so I can wake up at 4:30. I need to purchase my stream when I get off today.

Well in the end I dont care what we will get as long as its fun to play. (But I do hope we will get more than two jobs otherwise I find it kinda lazy.)

My prediction: next to red mage we will have dancer and samurai.

I can predict one thing for sure. About 80% of the forum users...

Today: Ugh, you are wrong and your arguments are invalid. Obviously your opinions aren't as steeped in logic and lore as mine.

Tomorrow: How did I get it so wrong! Way to screw it up SE, don't you know my way was the only logical way! *salt salt salt* Well oh well RIP ffxiv! Don't you know I know what's best?

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Originally Posted by Jandor

For some reason I get really excited about the idea of running dungeons with a Blue, Red, Black, White party :p

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This is one more reason I was hoping RDM was a tank, as it would then mean u have all 3 roles filled by the 3 main mages.

I always figured it would go like this:

Red Mage - DPS
Samurai - Tank
Dancer - Healer

With the datamine leaks, it seems that samurai is all but confirmed. It could be tank or dps, although it'd be pretty crazy if they introduced two dps jobs (and only dps). DPS queues would be insane.

I think it'd be more practical if it was 1 DPS and 1 tank. But if they're only making two new jobs, that would leave healer out. And that'd be sorta unfair. Dancer could be the first TP-based healer, and it would definitely make things interesting.

But who knows. I just can't wait for the fanfest and see what exactly is coming. I'm gonna hope for the best, and expect the worst.

I want to believe his t-shirt is blue mage.

https://youtu.be/jvQRnNeAnw8

@ 1:07 - the blue mage spell is called spider web.

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Originally Posted by Pompompar

@ 1:07 - the blue mage spell is called spider web.

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Oh, that looks like a nice catch that I am sure than even Yoshi missed it. That kinda boosts the BLU theory, although I still hope and expect it to be SAM.

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Originally Posted by DBelmont

Oh, that looks like a nice catch that I am sure than even Yoshi missed it. That kinda boosts the BLU theory, although I still hope and expect it to be SAM.

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I'm not so sure he missed it. One of his comments was along the lines of, "Spider Webber," or something.

That said, I still can't see SE NOT adding Samurai in this expansion. If we only have 1 more new class to reveal it'd have to be Samurai. If its two, Samurai and Blue Mage.

I'm still betting money that it'll be both and Yoshi P will NEVER explain which the Spiderman shirt referred to, just to keep this argument/debate up forever.

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Originally Posted by DBelmont

Oh, that looks like a nice catch that I am sure than even Yoshi missed it. That kinda boosts the BLU theory, although I still hope and expect it to be SAM.

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If we get Blue Mage as a regular job I'd have to say next expansion our guessing games will be even wilder though lol, because he's sort of commented on it being weird and unsure how to solve and stuff like that - but if we get Blue Mage as I'd hope it be (another job you can play) then it means they've well solved the issue for a long time and have been working away on it (assuming their takes a year to develop comment is still true). Just means Yoshida is capable of putting up barriers just for fun lol. I feel his comments on Blue Mage throw more shade than his usual, and then if we also got Samurai it would make his shirts even more intently examined (Sam and Blu from one shirt!?!?! lol).

Although they did lay some good ground work with the Immortal Flames leader, so I imagine we'll see something at some point.. I'm not sure it'll be the expansion but I'd love to see Blue Mage in job functioning capacity.

While I don't really think Spiderman is a good reference to Samurai (given Blue Mage fits better, imo) I feel Samurai is a really solid guess, so much available points to high Samurai activity past and present in the SE headquarters (in game and out).

So just for fun I'll go RDM DD, SAM DD, BLU Tank. Or if it's dancer, move SAM to Tank and DNC to Healer (the cinematic had strong dance flair, but that's the only reference I felt.. so I'm not sure about it, beyond the unique dance-y style I saw).

I'd be mildly impressed if the tshirt ended up referring to both samurai and blue mage.

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Originally Posted by Hunky

It could be tank or dps, although it'd be pretty crazy if they introduced two dps jobs (and only dps). DPS queues would be insane.

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Not necessarily, if what said is true about the new Jobs starting at lvl50, the only queue issues will be the lvl50 queues for a while, but people can still do FATEs and PotD til 60, since you won't be able to start the quests of SB on new Jobs due to not being lvl60 right when Early Access launches, and few will spend one night without sleep to level one of the new Jobs to 60, and most of those people already have a premade group, pretty much like what happened in HW launch.

Personally i don't see the point of adding another Greatsword-ish tank to the game, a Hammer Job would fit perfectly and would "sync" with Monk like Warrior "syncs" with Ninja (Blunt damage).

Or maybe it could be something along the line of the MCH/AST reveal. You know, being SAM and another job directly linked to Spidey. If it is just SAM as suspected, then the shirt speculations will definitely lose tons of credibility.

As I started to read this thread a thought occurred to me...


What if...
When preparing for another expansion, Yoshi showed up shirtless....

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Originally Posted by DBelmont

If it is just SAM as suspected, then the shirt speculations will definitely lose tons of credibility.

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How so? Sam Raimi=SAM RaImi= Samurai. He directed the 2007 Spiderman film It's a stretch, but that's what most folks are going by.

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

How so? Sam Raimi=SAM RaImi= Samurai. He directed the 2007 Spiderman film It's a stretch, but that's what most forks are going by.

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It's a lot of stretch. The previous shirt clues were all simple and straight forward. But let's not forget people thought Scarlet (red) Witch (mage) was Dancer...

But YoshiP discounted that idea in another interview - saying something like Spiderman has multiple directors. He wanted players to think more about the "spider web" -- whatever that means.

Personally, my vote is for Beastmaster or Blue mage.

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Originally Posted by DBelmont

Or maybe it could be something along the line of the MCH/AST reveal. You know, being SAM and another job directly linked to Spidey. If it is just SAM as suspected, then the shirt speculations will definitely lose tons of credibility.

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I think this too ^^ Anyway, the wait is unbearable hehe XD Still have my fingers crossed for Dancer!

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

As I started to read this thread a thought occurred to me...


What if...
When preparing for another expansion, Yoshi showed up shirtless....

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Illusionist. He'll insist he's wearing a shirt when there is none there.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

But YoshiP discounted that idea in another interview - saying something like Spiderman has multiple directors. He wanted players to think more about the "spider web" -- whatever that means.

Personally, my vote is for Beastmaster or Blue mage.

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YoshiP discounted EVERY idea, even Scarlet Witch being RDM.

What did you expected him to do? Say "oh yeah you're right, the gig's over"?

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

How so? Sam Raimi=SAM RaImi= Samurai. He directed the 2007 Spiderman film It's a stretch, but that's what most forks are going by.

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Because every other shirt so far had pointed out very obvious traits of the jobs. Batman and Scarlet Witch had to do with the name and 007 with the use of guns/gadgets. Now, implying the name of the director is unlike the previous hints and is more of a conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

I think this too ^^ Anyway, the wait is unbearable hehe XD Still have my fingers crossed for Dancer!

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Well, it is not like Dancer has anything to do with the shirt by itself. xD

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Originally Posted by DBelmont

Because every other shirt so far had pointed out very obvious traits of the jobs. Batman and Scarlet Witch had to do with the name and 007 with the use of guns/gadgets. Now, implying the name of the director is unlike the previous hints and is more of a conspiracy theory.

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Honesty making a subtle hint about Samurai without completely giving it away would be quite difficult so he went with something more obscure keeping with the marvel theme.