Please fix the “naked queueing” for Aliance Raids

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Originally Posted by Irzephyra

There will always be new players. They need the help and time as much as you did, when you were in a newbies shoes.

Ypu already get a higher reward, when someone new is there, but people tend to forget that.

If time is the only factor, why not build a system, that grants bonusses depending how long the duty persists?

Then the ideal way would be to go afk together and waiting until the last minute.

Thats the thing I see:

There is no possible reward that would make up for the errors of others. THAT is probably the actual problem here.

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I think you're kinda missing the point that it's what they already do for MSQ Roulette. The roulette xp bonus is bigger for Praet than it is for Castrum because it takes longer. So they can for sure do it.

And you're kidding yourself if you think people are queuing roulettes out of the kindness of their heart. The whole point of the roulette system is to incentivize people for running old stuff by rewarding them for doing so. As soon as the incentive stops matching the actual investment, people will simply dip out of said roulette.

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MSQ roulette is really the best example of this. Before they scaled the reward for the roulette depending on which you got, people were simply leaving the instant they got into Praet because they felt the reward was not worth the time compared to getting Castrum.

Why do roulettes have to special anyways?
Cant just a simple dungeon run give you enough rewards?
Thats the point I am trying to make.

You love the ghostship island duty? Just play it and get your reward as much as you like. Why does it have to be so complicated?

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

I think you're kinda missing the point that it's what they already do for MSQ Roulette. The roulette xp bonus is bigger for Praet than it is for Castrum because it takes longer. So they can for sure do it.

And you're kidding yourself if you think people are queuing roulettes out of the kindness of their heart. The whole point of the roulette system is to incentivize people for running old stuff by rewarding them for doing so. As soon as the incentive stops matching the actual investment, people will simply dip out of said roulette.

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MSQ roulette is really the best example of this. Before they scaled the reward for the roulette depending on which you got, people were simply leaving the instant they got into Praet because they felt the reward was not worth the time compared to getting Castrum.

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And now they quit Castrum because Praet has more rewards. The problem still persists, its just turned around.

Dont get me wrong, I see the problem at hand, I just dont think just raising roulette rewards based on the duty will change anything at the end. In the end, other duties will be quit because others are more lucrative.

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Originally Posted by Irzephyra

Why do roulettes have to special anyways?
Cant just a simple dungeon run give you enough rewards?
Thats the point I am trying to make.

You love the ghostship island duty? Just play it and get your reward as much as you like. Why does it have to be so complicated?

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You need a way to find people to "help" (read: fill the empty spots) for that old content that would otherwise be completely irrelevant and no one would run. The sprouts need to complete a specific set of duties to progress after all

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Originally Posted by Irzephyra

Cant just a simple dungeon run give you enough rewards?

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Please, tell me the rewards for doing an old dungeon/alliance as a lvl80+ player outside of roulette?

What do I get for running Sastasha and getting bored to tears? I'm not getting any xp, I'm not getting any relevant loot. Hell, i'm not even getting poetics (which I'm drowning in either way, so don't tell me poetics are good enough rewards for doing later alliance raids).

And if old players who have already cleared the content don't queue for said content, what happens to new people going through it? Infinite queue. This is why you incentivize people into running roulettes. You give decent queues to new players, and rewards to the old players.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

Please, tell me the rewards for doing an old dungeon/alliance as a lvl80+ player outside of roulette?

What do I get for running Sastasha and getting bored to tears? I'm not getting any xp, I'm not getting any relevant loot. Hell, i'm not even getting poetics (which I'm drowning in either way, so don't tell me poetics are good enough rewards for doing later alliance raids).

And if old players who have already cleared the content don't queue for said content, what happens to new people going through it? Infinite queue. This is why you incentivize people into running roulettes. You give decent queues to new players, and rewards to the old players.

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They are nonexistent, thats what I am talking about. There SHOULD be rewards nonetheless! Should Roulette have a bit more? Sure, why not, but that way its not the ONLY rewardi g way besides grinding the most recent dungeon to death.

If ya want more, then go roulette, but you have the CHOICE.

The incentive would still be there, its just not the only way, then. You seem to think people wouldnt run Random Dungeons without the reward and I disagree, who is right now?

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Originally Posted by Irzephyra

They are nonexistent, thats what I am talking about. There SHOULD be rewards nonetheless! Should Roulette have a bit more? Sure, why not, but that way its not the ONLY rewardi g way besides grinding the most recent dungeon to death.

If ya want more, then go roulette, but you have the CHOICE.

The incentive would still be there, its just not the only way, then. You seem to think people wouldnt run Random Dungeons without the reward and I disagree, who is right now?

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If the game indirectly forces you to engage with something you are not completly agreeing to, just for the rewards, whats the point in playing in the first place?

Thats the meaning of games, to be FUN!

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Originally Posted by Irzephyra

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If the game indirectly forces you to engage with something you are not completly agreeing to, just for the rewards, whats the point in playing in the first place?

Thats the meaning of games, to be FUN!

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Lets remove all rewards from duties remember it's fun right you don't need them. Please stop.

I have fun doing roulettes and other stuff. I run Main, Alliance, Leveling and do Pixies mostly at the moment. If i had to be forced into higher level alliance roulette raids on a regular basis i"d run a trust. I'd get probably the same if not better xp rewards the the time investment would be about the same if not lower.

If I want to run Neir raids for the glamour items guess what I'll queue for them and so on. I'm don't here this is going nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Irzephyra

They are nonexistent, thats what I am talking about. There SHOULD be rewards nonetheless! Should Roulette have a bit more? Sure, why not, but that way its not the ONLY rewardi g way besides grinding the most recent dungeon to death.

If ya want more, then go roulette, but you have the CHOICE.

The incentive would still be there, its just not the only way, then. You seem to think people wouldnt run Random Dungeons without the reward and I disagree, who is right now?

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And without roulettes, how would do you know some random newbie need a party to run say Haukke Manor? You want to push new players into Party Finder to find people to run required MSQ content?

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

I think you're kinda missing the point that it's what they already do for MSQ Roulette. The roulette xp bonus is bigger for Praet than it is for Castrum because it takes longer. So they can for sure do it.

And you're kidding yourself if you think people are queuing roulettes out of the kindness of their heart. The whole point of the roulette system is to incentivize people for running old stuff by rewarding them for doing so. As soon as the incentive stops matching the actual investment, people will simply dip out of said roulette.

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MSQ roulette is really the best example of this. Before they scaled the reward for the roulette depending on which you got, people were simply leaving the instant they got into Praet because they felt the reward was not worth the time compared to getting Castrum.

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Now is the other way around, Anyway, MSQ roulette is in need of being removed and the whole thing turned into a solo duty.

Alliance/normal roulette just need a small adjustment to be like expert roulette (you have to unlock everything and have enough ILvL to acces all unlocked duties. Of course according to the class you que with. A lvl 53 only will need Crystal Tower and 110ilvl), same as the penality for bailing out, during the first 15m everyone should get it even if someone already left, and the time off from using duty finder should be equal to whatever time left the duty by half (meaning up 1h).