Block first timers from Party Finder!

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Originally Posted by Laraul

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

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Not sure if you're serious here:
I would like a tool for party leaders to better set up farm parties.

No! You will not have a tool for party leaders to set up proper parties! It is the job of the party leader to set up proper parties!

As to your last question, it has been answered many a time in this thread.
1. It will mean you have some idea of how the content is played at the very least.
2. One of the main reasons was to set up a farm party. To prevent those who join for the clear and leave after one run causing the party to fall apart, from ruining the party. Or is this a bad thing? tbh, this kills PF far more than not having the option does.
3. Also, it is not a 100% promise of totally skilled players, but you are more likely to get one with it. If you think they should only be implementing things that have a 100% success rates, you are being foolish, as this is nearly impossible.

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Originally Posted by Havenae

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

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Umm. I'm going to assume you were someone who read the thread title and nothing else. But yeah.... Isn't finding your own group what PF is for?

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Originally Posted by Serilda

The only thing that makes these requests go unanswered is that the staff probably don't realise how rough people have it. I would genuinely be shocked to find someone lying their way into a PF group I made without meeting the requirements because the culture is so different across regions; it sucks that it's such a problem on other servers.

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Thanks for reading the thread and understanding, especially when you don't see this happening yourself :) It's appreciated.

This happens with I'd say 80% of the farm parties I've either set up or have been in, and it seems the same happens to a lot of other people. I think it happens more on the larger servers since people don't care too much about their reputation.

I will say I get a fair number of people who ask to join without the clear as well.

I have allowed it once or twice with bad results. "I've seen enrage" and then they die to things and tank the ground.... All the way to enrage.

People put failure on the team but take successs as an individual effort xD or they get lucky and get no mechanics.

I think making use of the green leaf icon and apply it to players new to any instance would be nice, that would be useful across the board to be honest.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Why are you talking about disabling PF lol?
There would be "Ravana Extreme Farm Party" with "People who cleared this duty" option checked, anyone who cleared Ravana Extreme would be able to join, anyone who haven't would have the party gray, so they won't be able to join it.

You are completely exaggerating.

No one is entitled to get carried by people who put their effort to clear some duty to be able to farm it unless they want to help.

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People who get into farm parties without clear and without saying anything to party leader in advance are getting kicked and blacklisted anyways, the only difference between what we have now and what we would have with special option is, that party leaders wouldn't have to bother with them and waste their time.

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Up until this post, I agreed with the OP and I still do. And I'm one of those players who haven't cleared most of coil, and none of Alex Savage. But this post helped me to see how something like this would be beneficial to the excluded player. No one likes to be blacklisted. Maybe the person joining had good intentions and knew the fight well enough. But joining without saying anything is still a jerk thing to do and worthy of a blacklist. Being automatically excluded like this protects that player as well.

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

Can we block first timers from df also? im tired of having to explain everything to them.

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Sarcasm not withstanding... no.

I would be very surprised if this gets ever implemented, however sound it might seem to most of us (myself included).

Firstly, the current options for PF have the underlying meaning of "preference", not "requirement" (at least I get this impression). It's just a message what kind of behaviour one might expect joining that party. So mixing such strict option in there might not be the best idea (of course, there would be ways if they really wanted).

Secondly and more importantly, regarding MMO's generally, I believe that developers kind of have to follow this unwritten rule there is no way the community is able to easily reject the "bad/immature" players. Of course, there is "vote kick", blacklist and such, but I think this is as far as we can ever get. One of the reasons might be that they want (need) to prevent the community from getting too "elitist", even if this particular suggestion is far from that (however, 9/10 cases this option would be checked if implemented, imo). Additionally, it is likely that lots of young/immature people are playing the game and therefor making an option that would allow people to block them from accessing certain features is not really smart, at least from business perspective. The likelihood of people leaving the game because they can't access party finders is bigger then the likelihood of people leaving because they run into someone "new" joining PF with "farm" in the description here and there.

And so I believe we are left with ourselves to deal with this. The best shot would probably be to put very strict and specific rules by yourself in the PF description (like "going to check achievements"). Although, some might be familiar with Guild Wars 2. There I believe this approach leads to very hostile environment for almost all new players (zerker 5k+ meta, no noob or kick). Next thing might be having the strong and matured community actually teach all the bad/immature people that this is something you don't do (yes - naive).

In retrospect, having this option might actually be easier for the player to grasp. Like "wtf I can't join this PF, lemme check, ohh, it's for those that have a clear, ok". So yeah, all in all, not a bad idea. You've got my vote if you ask.

edit: Holy shit, there is still the 1000 char limit - see, they don't even want to let us complain, yeah - this is not getting implemented. :P

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Originally Posted by KiraKarea

Additionally, it is likely that lots of young/immature people are playing the game and therefor making an option that would allow people to block them from accessing certain features is not really smart, at least from business perspective. The likelihood of people leaving the game because they can't access party finders is bigger then the likelihood of people leaving because they run into someone "new" joining PF with "farm" in the description here and there.

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Simple solution: Don't even show the farm parties in Party Finder unless you have the required clear. The young and immature wouldn't even know what they're being excluded from.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Simple solution: Don't even show the farm parties in Party Finder unless you have the required clear. The young and immature wouldn't even know what they're being excluded from.

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I don't know if I agree with this one. Having the party visible would still allow for someone to ask the leader if they would be allowed in to attain a clear. Doing this would take away that option and make it less available.

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

I don't know if I agree with this one. Having the party visible would still allow for someone to ask the leader if they would be allowed in to attain a clear. Doing this would take away that option and make it less available.

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Hrm, true. I hadn't considered that consequence.