Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

If the WAR can keep up path for the DRK tanking, then I think the DRK will have more raw magic mitigation than the WAR will. In normal, the DRK has dark mind for every single tank buster, so they can stack that with their normal cooldowns. WAR also has the issue where healing "abilities" aren't buffed by convalescence or defiance, so that's going to hinder healer recovery on the WAR after big hits.

I think having your PLD swap to DRK for this fight only might be the best option. Of course it depends on what actually ends up in the Savage version.

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The only thing that could be an advantage some would see is 10% extra mitigation from the 10 seconds of Dark Mind. But it's really not an advantage at all. War has overall, all around better constant mitigation. IB a few times in between busters. Vengeance + IB + Equilibrium every other buster. Thrill+Conv (<-AKA War's Rampart) + IB + Equilibrium every other other buster, and rotate between those with IB's in between, and for every buster, as well as equilibrium.

Drk can only rely on Dark Mind every buster. If they string any CD's together like a War can, they wont have cd's to string together for the following one. You'll be left without something to use for a buster now and then, because your only reliable CD's are Shadowskin and Shadow Wall. There will always be a point where a tank buster will come in, and both of those will be down.

It's literally just a trade off of taking 10% less damage on 1 buster, to take more damage on the next one. And this is if you actually save your CD's specifically for tank busters. A War has the leisure of keeping mitigation going even inbetween the tank busters.

And lets not forget, Discord or perpetual ray or whatever the actual buster is called, hits I believe it's 3 or 4 times. Meaning a single Equilibrium between those hits, especially one buffed by Berserk, would completely nullify one of those hits all together, probably even more. And this is on every buster.

DRK + WAR:

1.) Shadowskin + Shadow Wall + Dark Mind + Conv
2.) Holmgang + Veng + Thrill + Conv + IB
3.) Living Dead + Conv
4.) Vengeance + Thrill + Conv + IB
5.) Shadowskin + Shadow Wall + Dark Mind + Conv
6.) Holmgang + Vengeance + Thrill + Conv + IB

PLD + WAR can do the same thing, allowing immunity on the 3rd set entirely, but having less overall mitigation for the other 2. PLD does, however, have a better Convalescence so maybe that would even things out? I dunno.

Edit: 500 years later I realized that I'd forgotten about Sentinel's +10% more mitigation over Shadow Wall, but that doesn't really beat the 30% from Dark Mind. PLD does have Hallowed, though, so...

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Originally Posted by Ditto

Also, you must have never been to the end game raid progression scene if you think this is true.

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failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

All I ever see you do is whine. What level is your Warrior or Paladin? 50. What level is my Warrior? 51. And I have a busy work schedule.

It's amusing to see someone complain so much yet do absolutely nothing to solve their own problems. If it is really that bad playing DRK, how long are you going to hold your static back? How long are you going to bring the rest of the game's community down with your mediocrity?

I really hope that sounds as stupid to you as it does to me.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Viable=/=Valuable

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your only value as a tank is to pick up mobs and to not die. it's not very demanding.

if you have the gear and the patience there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to join a group doing content

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Originally Posted by Delorean

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

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Originally Posted by Delorean

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

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Originally Posted by Delorean

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

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Originally Posted by Delorean

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

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The only one sounding stupid here is you. Need I REALLY point out exactly what is wrong with what you are saying here?

I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, but then again the rest of your post is as just a joke as you are, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much from you Mr. 51 Warrior. Also congratulations, you can do 1 days worth of roulette's to get from 50 - 51.

Your busy work schedule and superior sense of accomplishments really makes you a better person, doesn't it? I bet you got your adrenaline running from making that post, huh?

And wow did I piss on your corn flakes or something?

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Originally Posted by Ditto

Your busy work schedule and superior sense of accomplishments really makes you a better person, doesn't it? I bet you got your adrenaline running from making that post, huh?

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no

i just think it's funny that someone who probably has more time to sit around and play the game than i do complains about the class they play every chance that they get but has done absolutely nothing to fix their problem because this strongly suggests that DRK is surely not as bad as you many of you are making it out to be considering such a big commotion just a few of you are making over compositions.

like lol if it was that big of a deal id expect someone that irked about it playing DRK during progression to have been better prepared for alexander savage by now.

but really, do you call clearing neverreap in i180 progression? do you call it progression when you queue up for syrcus tower? no one calls that progression lol

The title of this thread is "Getting refused to EX Groups as DRK". With people in it whining that DRK is not viable. I'd be more reserved in sharing my opinions if it was "Getting refused to Alex Savage Groups as DRK" because I for one have never been told I could not join an EX group because I was DRK.

It's really frustrating to come in here and see people posting shit like "oh a fight was harder and we wiped because double DRK." Which, in spite of all of any criticism towards me, is never the reason any group I have ever been in wiped.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

DRK was an outstanding endgame tank in FFXI, but only the best LSs knew/used them. DRK Cecil was a tank in FFV as well.

Other then that I 100% agree.

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Cecil wasn't really a tank when he was a dark knight, he was just the beefiest member of the party. In the jp version he an ability called Darkness(Or Dark wave) which drained his HP to damage enemies. Now when he became a paladin, then he became a tank because he gained the "cover" passive ability.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

no

i just think it's funny that someone who probably has more time to sit around and play the game than i do complains about the class they play every chance that they get but has done absolutely nothing to fix their problem because this strongly suggests that DRK is surely not as bad as you many of you are making it out to be considering such a big commotion just a few of you are making over compositions.

like lol if it was that big of a deal id expect someone that irked about it playing DRK during progression to have been better prepared for alexander savage by now.

but really, do you call clearing neverreap in i180 progression? do you call it progression when you queue up for syrcus tower? no one calls that progression lol

The title of this thread is "Getting refused to EX Groups as DRK". With people in it whining that DRK is not viable. I'd be more reserved in sharing my opinions if it was "Getting refused to Alex Savage Groups as DRK" because I for one have never been told I could not join an EX group because I was DRK.

It's really frustrating to come in here and see people posting shit like "oh a fight was harder and we wiped because double DRK." Which, in spite of all of any criticism towards me, is never the reason any group I have ever been in wiped.

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You can make all the empty accusations you want, it only makes you look even more stupid.

But clearly you're right, I'm not ready for Alex Savage because I do not have a level 51 Warrior. Oh man I bet Alex is going to be SO HARD if that is what it requires. (Yet I like how to be prepared for Alex Savage I HAVE to have Warrior leveled. Screw Drk though LOOOOL, way to further prove the point)

May as well get rid of my Hive Claymore and use a Mythril one. Get rid of my Alex normal pieces as well, hell all of my stuff and drop down to level 51~ gear. Clearly none of it serves a point there.

And I see you're drawing on straws now and trying to bend what end game progression is or implies by bringing up crappy dungeons. I like the desperation.

And that is ok, I don't think many people care for your opinions if you think you're some greater being who only shares opinions when you think people deserve it.

Do you also go into conventions and yell at everyone for talking about video games, anime, comics, whatever too? I bet you do.

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Do you also go into conventions and yell at everyone for talking about video games, anime, comics, whatever too? I bet you do.

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someone ever just say some shit that makes you mad?

yeah well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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You can make all the empty accusations you want, it only makes you look even more stupid.

But clearly you're right, I'm not ready for Alex Savage because I do not have a level 51 Warrior. Oh man I bet Alex is going to be SO HARD if that is what it requires. (Yet I like how to be prepared for Alex Savage I HAVE to have Warrior leveled. Screw Drk though LOOOOL, way to further prove the point)

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hey man, that's just the idealism your posts suggest, i'm not telling you that you have to level WAR/PLD. I just get the impression that if you took progression as seriously as you vaunt about it, you'd have something else to show for it if you really felt like DRK brought nothing to the table.

as for progression i really don't care about debating the definition of internet jargon that i feel has a pretty defined meaning, but it's not a word i'd use to describe wiping to turn 2 in half i90 tome gear with an average party item level of 81.

either way, i'm really not trying to keep this a pissing match.

DRK is viable for all content that is currently available to the playerbase. You will wipe because of people in your party being stupid before you wipe because DRK does not have some amazingly special tool that WAR or PLD has. And yes, you may wipe because the DRK in your party is a stupid player, but not because they chose to play DRK.

If the class needs adjustments and the representation of DRK is especially low in Alexander, it will see them. I mean, shit. They already tacked on some of the quality of life changes we wanted as WAR to DRKs.

So in other words, you missed the entire point people are making in this thread, not even just me.

Ok.

so you're just going to say things like i missed the point of whatever and try to save face because you feel embarassed

this is so juvenile :rolleyes: have fun complaining about the game more than you play it tho