Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

Exactly the point, why not be in favor for an optional cap for better reward then? If they aren't meant to be a challenge for level 50, why would you allow the same rewards if you steamroll through them with a/some level 50 in your group? It's just more arguments to add a cap, optional or not.

And you know that cosmetic means it just in apparence right? so capping your level 50 at level 30 is not comestic, its game mechanics

---

Because the REWARDS aren't better. I don't see how this concept isn't getting through to you. You want me to expend an hour running a dungeon for gear I don't need. And being r30 is completely cosmetic when it is only so I can run through one r30 dungeon on a r50. I don't need the 'prestige' of a r30 dungeon and I don't need the 'gear' from a r30 dungeon, hence for a r50 it is completely cosmetic putting a false cap on your character.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheVedis

people in this thread are mad because

1) people may get gear faster then them

2) its an r30 dungeon and not a 2nd r50 dungeon

---

Again you are stating what you think what we want, when it is actually not what we want.

It's more like:

1) people will get the best gear far too easily without having to work for it.

2) It's a R30 dungeon that will be worn out too quickly since it can be completed so easily, leaving players hungry for new content way too soon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Opinion. Do you see the difference? You have no way to qualify this statement as fact. 'YOU' 'THINK' it would have a detrimental effect. That is opinion.

---

So this scenario is unrealistic?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Crafter Bob makes a rank 30 sword and wants to sell it.

Scenario with rank cap: I buy the sword from Bob for now because I need a new weapon in the short term. Using Bob's sword, I have an easier time completing the dungeon content in the hopes of finding a rank 30 "uber sword". Bob earns a living as a crafter, and I participate in the economy to further my battle class needs.


Scenario without a rank cap: I see Bob has a sword for sale but I don't care in the least because I'll just steamroll the rank 30 dungeon with my rank 50 class over and over until I get the rank 30 "uber sword" drop. Bob's worth as a crafter is diminished, and neither of us participate in the economy, diminishing it as well.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

example your friend that is a r21 thm that cannot get a group together and asks for help. the dungeon for the r30 you have already completed and want to go help them. you grab your high class and help them. you want to make it to where we have to tell our firends and ls mates to go away because you feel as though you have a single example of why it wouldn't work. there is just as many reasons to leave it uncapped as there is to cap it.

the truth is se decided to leave it uncapped so i will not be following your method.

---

Que, i mght be stupid but that didnt make any sense to me?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheVedis

adding a level cap doesnt promote strategy though
ill still have ALL my high level abilities

the difference between a slider and a cap is, with a cap, you FORCE people to play at that difficulty and level
with a slider you give them the option to make it harder if they WANT the challenge, without forcing people who just wanna do it to comform to that standard

---

that is pure assumption as well. Who said you would not be forced to choose a Job when entering a dungeon (paladin, whm, blm, etc.) and then you have certain abilities locked up and some level 50 abilities not available at level 30? Didn't see any mention of that. And since they forced you to go in groups in those dungeons and specified that Jobs were strickly for grouping, it's safer to assume you'll go in there with jobs rather than classes no?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Not if EVERYONE in the game can do it. Sorry, you're wrong. See my above post too.

---

This...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Absolutely not. One way or the other, preferential treatment benefits no one.

---

and this...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

I am already 50. I don't need r30 gear to progress.

---

and this...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

If I just want to see an explore, why do I have to take 60 minutes to do it?

---

and this have convinced me that you're just trolling. Further conversation with you is pointless.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

example your friend that is a r21 thm that cannot get a group together and asks for help. the dungeon for the r30 you have already completed and want to go help them. you grab your high class and help them.

---

You can still help your friend if the game synced your level to rank 30 for the duration of the dungeon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

that is pure assumption as well. Who said you would not be forced to choose a Job when entering a dungeon (paladin, whm, blm, etc.) and then you have certain abilities locked up and some level 50 abilities not available at level 30? Didn't see any mention of that. And since they forced you to go in groups in those dungeons and specified that Jobs were strickly for grouping, it's safer to assume you'll go in there with jobs rather than classes no?

---

lets be honest, do you really think itl do that?
seriously

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Because the REWARDS aren't better. I don't see how this concept isn't getting through to you. You want me to expend an hour running a dungeon for gear I don't need. And being r30 is completely cosmetic when it is only so I can run through one r30 dungeon on a r50. I don't need the 'prestige' of a r30 dungeon and I don't need the 'gear' from a r30 dungeon, hence for a r50 it is completely cosmetic putting a false cap on your character.

---

your level 50 don't need it of course. But you might be running this dungeon to get gears for your other classes/jobs. Therefore just steamrolling through content the easy way on your high level, getting rewards for no effort. It's called lazyness and king-kids generation syndrom.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eekiki

This...



and this...



and this...



and this have convinced me that you're just trolling. Further conversation with you is pointless.

---

You should look up the definition of trolling. I am countering opinions with my own. That's called discussion. Welcome to the forums.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Because the REWARDS aren't better. I don't see how this concept isn't getting through to you. You want me to expend an hour running a dungeon for gear I don't need. And being r30 is completely cosmetic when it is only so I can run through one r30 dungeon on a r50. I don't need the 'prestige' of a r30 dungeon and I don't need the 'gear' from a r30 dungeon, hence for a r50 it is completely cosmetic putting a false cap on your character.

---

Think about the whole game population and not just you. There are plenty of other players who need the rank 30 gear to rank up their rank 30 classes. Just because you don't need it doesn't mean the rest of the population doesn't either.