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Originally Posted by DarthTaru

I can't believe I'm actually reading a thread calling for my friends and I to be banned. lol.
Just a little ridiculous. This is nothing remotely similar to the Salvage Exploit and isn't cheating in any way, shape or form.
It was simply applying what we learned during our many Garuda fights, combined with a strategy we've used with another NM in the past (staggering DMG and fully unleashing at the right moment)

And while I'm flattered our video is giving Yoshi P a new headache (sorry, Yoshi! <3 <3), I don't even know why this should be considered a design flaw. As Yoshi said himself, without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated. While we half expected this to result in a patch, I believe it's similar to making Kirin near impervious to physical damage after the first Kirin zerg, essentially punishing Linkshells for having too strong front line DPS in favor of a 2+ hour kite strategy utilized by linkshells just beginning their adventures in Sky.

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Welcome to the official forums where hate and ignorance are as abundant as potatoes in Idaho.

All I can say is... viral video... *high five!*

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Originally Posted by DarthTaru

I can't believe I'm actually reading a thread calling for my friends and I to be banned. lol.
Just a little ridiculous. This is nothing remotely similar to the Salvage Exploit and isn't cheating in any way, shape or form.
It was simply applying what we learned during our many Garuda fights, combined with a strategy we've used with another NM in the past (staggering DMG and fully unleashing at the right moment)

And while I'm flattered our video is giving Yoshi P a new headache (sorry, Yoshi! <3 <3), I don't even know why this should be considered a design flaw. As Yoshi said himself, without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated. While we half expected this to result in a patch, I believe it's similar to making Kirin near impervious to physical damage after the first Kirin zerg, essentially punishing Linkshells for having too strong front line DPS in favor of a 2+ hour kite strategy utilized by linkshells just beginning their adventures in Sky.

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I can't speak for everyone, but we duplicated it on our second attempt.

It's nothing special.

The irony is, Kirin was never "fixed" due to the zerg strategy, and all it required was some decent gear, rotating bards for 2 hour songs and then just beating the crap out of the mob. Your Garuda strat requires at least "fairly decent" gear, timing to avoid over-nuking and at least some elixirs/mega-ethers and already it's calling for a fix...guessing because dragoons could be used in the Kirin zerg strategy but not the Garuda blm-burn strat...

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I can't speak for everyone, but we duplicated it on our second attempt.

It's nothing special.

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without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated.

I think it is safe to assume you have the right players and proper timing to beat it this way?

No one said it was special; just a more efficient strategy.

All in all, the prestigious Dr. Mog group duplicating a strat we planned and executed in about an hour makes me feel all giddy inside.(/sarcasm off)

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You do know an exploit means using a flaw in design to benefit..right? Salvage exploit was using a flaw in how it calculated drops for parties in that raid which caused it to duplicate gear, here's burning it down so fast causes garuda to not use HP checks for phases.

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You misunderstand there is a difference between an exploit and a flaw in design. An exploit is actually something users are doing against the developers wishes regardless of if the developers new it was there or not (Salvage exploit). A flaw in design is that it was made that way intentionally (Usually thinking it was impossible to happen) but the users managed to do it (Garuda). Since they (the devs) said themselves this was a design flaw and not an exploit it's not ban-able (This is going by there standards in the past where design flaws aren't banable ex. leve sp thing). They obviously have complete rights to ban users for any reason whatsoever.

Also regardless of this being an exploit or flaw in design the key difference between this and the salvage exploit is the fact that the salvage exploit was kept under wraps for an extremely long time. Posts where intentionally removed from EG websites when they were mentioning the exploit. It was pretty clear on the players part that they were trying to abuse the system to gain from it knowing what they were doing was wrong. This way to kill garuda was just those guys trying to be bamfs.


Also I'm sorry I'm muddying up your thread Rein.

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Originally Posted by Reabs

Also I'm sorry I'm muddying up your thread Rein.

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No problem already posted YoshiP's post in the OP so people should be able to find that post + official one already out also so should be good :D

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I can't speak for everyone, but we duplicated it on our second attempt.

It's nothing special.

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This is all the more amusing because we saw you on ffxivpads boasting about how you've been killing it that way for some time so we went to your live stream and had a good laugh as you wiped with Garuda at 20% trying to emulate us, threw an emo fit with your linkshell then rage logged in your Inn. While I can't speak for everyone, it certainly was the most entertaining moment of my night.

Thanks for the hostility. Emo-rage on.

http://i.imgur.com/akFCR.gif

Now at the risk of sounding like a ttl hypocrite.... I say this..

Take it outside boys, this is a translation thread. No one wants to read this.