VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The gear had designs for ears and tails because 99% of it were based on 1.0 models made under Tanaka, not Yoshida.
The moment they actually started adding new models was the moment no damn for racial detail was given any longer.

Contrary to what Yoshi-P zealots say, not everything got better after 1.23b. The models in 1.0 had more care to being lore compliant and the fact belts had separate visuals speaks for itself.

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It's true, I hadn't stopped to think about it. I didn't know about the belts either.

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Originally Posted by Milus

The quality of hats lately chopping off the miqote ears, while lalafels still have their earsocks, I'm surprized they aren't complainign about it...

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But I am

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Originally Posted by Zer0ofTime

I'd be a mad Viera and Hrothgar at SE too knowing devs were too lazy to make all the hats work on them. Especially since modders have done all the work already and got a mod out for Viera and Hrothgar to wear all those hats. Just one of those things Yoshi-P admitted they are going to have to bake into the core game to make it better (like he said in regards to the worlds first stuff when it came to the mods)

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at this point, they should be ashamed to say that mods are banned.

I'm fine with the lack of hats; the monocle does it for me regardless of outfit.

And the ability to change hairstyles with the aesthetician as a Hrothgar is greatly appreciated.

But I'm still waiting for the promised Hrothgar-unique hairstyles. Unless the OG four are all we're getting. Not a fan of the "Emmanellain fop," only option that's been added I can see.

i wonder if we'll be getting more in 6.2

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

i wonder if we'll be getting more in 6.2

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It'll be very disappointing if we don't get more hairstyles then. There are way too many not yet available. I'm hoping for 6 more.

One can hope that for Hrothgar at least they will have something available with ears this go around. Given how long it takes for them to do things traditionally though I wouldn't hold my breath. Putting out more of the same as the last go around will just create a lot more unhappiness and I would say that if that's the case nothing might be a better alternative until they're ready to do it right.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

It'll be very disappointing if we don't get more hairstyles then. There are way too many not yet available. I'm hoping for 6 more.

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Especially considering the quality of them. There are still a few desirable shared hairstyles left, for sure, I'm interested to see what new hairs they come up with and if they will be viera compatible.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Even if it's ugly, it's only fair that people get SOMETHING for an event.. that they can see..

Yeah, there's not much of a difference, but there is a difference between the two clans for sure. I like both, but it really depends on my mood for a preset. I'd assume the differences are the same for male viera, but I haven't made any presets for them since the benchmark came out.

You'll probably enjoy ShB. It's still a good, contained, story. My issues are with other things, you would kind of have to have been there.. waiting.. two and a half years.. for hairs you thought you were "of course" going to get.. Three for hrothgar, and you know how that ended..

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I agree. It's a no brainer that they would make more money if they made purchaseable hats compatible for all races. Also, if an event item is a piece of headgear, it shouldn't be too much trouble to have it work for everyone. But, I guess the time, effort, and use of resources isn't worth it to them...

I'm seeing more Viera players in Excalibur as of late, so hopefully the surge in their popularity will be noticed by the devs. I don't know how V/H representation looks in the Japanese servers, though.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I agree. It's a no brainer that they would make more money if they made purchaseable hats compatible for all races. Also, if an event item is a piece of headgear, it shouldn't be too much trouble to have it work for everyone. But, I guess the time, effort, and use of resources isn't worth it to them...

I'm seeing more Viera players in Excalibur as of late, so hopefully the surge in their popularity will be noticed by the devs. I don't know how V/H representation looks in the Japanese servers, though.

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I'm questioning exactly how much time and effort it would take for them to make it compatible. We are talking about the OCCASIONAL event piece, or iconic hat even. Like, seriously SE?

Yeah, not only on Excalibur, but primal in general I have seen a decent amount of vieras, and that's part of the reason I switched back to one! I bought the new jacket, and it just looked so good on vieras.. I can be kind of impulsive, and people in here really got me sad enough.. I just wanted to be one again! Regardless, I think viera - both male and female - are quite popular, and I've heard that male viera are very popular in Japan. They have to have data showing quite well that viera are popular, but that could be both a blessing and a curse, because they might take that as players being content. If they weren't so limited, they'd be more popular.

We see more Vieras on Phoenix too. ^^

I know I’ll switch back again, probably next month, I know my weakness lol.

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Originally Posted by ValkyriaCrystalis

We see more Vieras on Phoenix too. ^^

I know I’ll switch back again, probably next month, I know my weakness lol.

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No sense denying it... I was one at the start and I too always end up back as one.. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

No sense denying it... I was one at the start and I too always end up back to one.. :(

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This, this, this. Exactly. I never used so much fantasia until f Vieras came. Started as catgirl in 2016, switched to midlander in 2017, then played dragon girl a few month… and Viera messed it all ! I lost count on fantasias since SHB. :/

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Originally Posted by ValkyriaCrystalis

This, this, this. Exactly. I never used so much fantasia until f Vieras came. Started as catgirl in 2016, switched to midlander in 2017, then played dragon girl a few month… and Viera messed it all ! I lost count on fantasias since SHB. :/

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And we have probably all talked about this in this thread before. :p

I was a little naive about the limitations initially, even said I was fine with a lot of it. I thought we were getting quality racial hairs in place... I am pretty sure I had the audacity back then to suggest SE make certain shared hairs available ALONGSIDE the racial hairs we were supposed to get.. :eek:

I will go back to viera if 6.2 brings more hairstyles, probably. I really love my miqo though so it isn't an easy choice. Especially since I love alot of the headpieces released lately that viera can't wear and I don't see them making hairpieces I love from the past work either. I am hoping they add the wavy hairstyle with and without fringe to viera, I think it would look nice on them. I dont remember if they added great lengths yet?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I will go back to viera if 6.2 brings more hairstyles, probably. I really love my miqo though so it isn't an easy choice. Especially since I love alot of the headpieces released lately that viera can't wear and I don't see them making hairpieces I love from the past work either. I am hoping they add the wavy hairstyle with and without fringe to viera, I think it would look nice on them. I dont remember if they added great lengths yet?

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No great lengths on Viera yet unfortunately. I love this hairstyle, that’s a shame. (But I’m afraid of the big forehead thing again…)

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Originally Posted by ValkyriaCrystalis

No great lengths on Viera yet unfortunately. I love this hairstyle, that’s a shame. (But I’m afraid of the big forehead thing again…)

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Oh God. That's a coin toss for sure. It might come out fine.. or..

and no hats to cover your forehead.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I will go back to viera if 6.2 brings more hairstyles, probably. I really love my miqo though so it isn't an easy choice. Especially since I love alot of the headpieces released lately that viera can't wear and I don't see them making hairpieces I love from the past work either. I am hoping they add the wavy hairstyle with and without fringe to viera, I think it would look nice on them. I dont remember if they added great lengths yet?

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Viera needs more hair sooner than later for sure AND miqo'te hempen top. Luckily I don't care about headpieces as much. This hair (both ways) looks better on viera (a lot of my fave pieces don't clip into the bangs), and this is probably one of my favorite if not favorite hair for miqo'te.

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Originally Posted by ValkyriaCrystalis

No great lengths on Viera yet unfortunately. I love this hairstyle, that’s a shame. (But I’m afraid of the big forehead thing again…)

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I have a slowly growing collection of forehead headbands that I'm hoping will help defend me from the huge forehead

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I have a slowly growing collection of forehead headbands that I'm hoping will help defend me from the huge forehead

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Wise advice!

In Jenova I see tons of both male and female Viera. I think Viera and Miqote seem like the most common races I see, with Hyur for guys and Au Ra for women being close. I'm very happy with my Viera and I actually found my favorite default hair was a Viera hair. I'm always for more hair, though, especially long hair. Leveling red mage now, I definitely do miss hats. Still love my Viera, but my red mage outfit would be so much better with the fancy hat!

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Originally Posted by leanansi

In Jenova I see tons of both male and female Viera. I think Viera and Miqote seem like the most common races I see, with Hyur for guys and Au Ra for women being close. I'm very happy with my Viera and I actually found my favorite default hair was a Viera hair. I'm always for more hair, though, especially long hair. Leveling red mage now, I definitely do miss hats. Still love my Viera, but my red mage outfit would be so much better with the fancy hat!

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Vieras (both males and females) are beautiful, slender, toned and graceful all together. We can make them look a little more mature too.
I really like my Hyur but she misses the more mature look I’m looking for unfortunately.

But like you as a main RDM I really miss hats. I miss them on BRD and AST too. As much for gathering classes ; who harvest in the cold or heat without a hat !?
For the other classes, I’m ok with circlets, headbands, flowers and glasses.
This is why I switch so much because sometimes I feel silly to put Vieras away for just a few jobs. :)

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Originally Posted by ValkyriaCrystalis

No great lengths on Viera yet unfortunately. I love this hairstyle, that’s a shame. (But I’m afraid of the big forehead thing again…)

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Yeah I think that is the issue with greath lengths: it lays quite flat and vieras need a bit more poof to cover the space between head and ears. The wavy one my miqo has with the fringe would probably fit perfectly since it has alot of volume. I miss my viera alot. But I haven't "suffered" with the latest patches since I switched over to miqo again. Everything fits, everything is seen, my glamours are different. I am not superfond of hats but there are a few I do love that I would miss alot. I have a couple of fantasias in my backpocket though so might switch back and forth a bit lol.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Oh God. That's a coin toss for sure. It might come out fine.. or..

and no hats to cover your forehead.

Viera needs more hair sooner than later for sure AND miqo'te hempen top. Luckily I don't care about headpieces as much. This hair (both ways) looks better on viera (a lot of my fave pieces don't clip into the bangs), and this is probably one of my favorite if not favorite hair for miqo'te.

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Yep, release the hempen camise for all. Would love some of the other ones. I can leave the racegear alone (everyone would wear the viera gear anyway) but the hempen camises should just be ffa.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Yeah I think that is the issue with greath lengths: it lays quite flat and vieras need a bit more poof to cover the space between head and ears. The wavy one my miqo has with the fringe would probably fit perfectly since it has alot of volume. I miss my viera alot. But I haven't "suffered" with the latest patches since I switched over to miqo again. Everything fits, everything is seen, my glamours are different. I am not superfond of hats but there are a few I do love that I would miss alot. I have a couple of fantasias in my backpocket though so might switch back and forth a bit lol.

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The hair you’re using looks really great on Miqo, I used them all the time when I was one.

As Hyur, I don’t like the position of the hairs around the ears, it makes the haircut look too “rigid” imo.

Since Viera’s ears are on the top on the head like miqo, I think you are right and that the hairs will look great on bunny girls !

Regarding the popularity of races, I don't know if this is valid or not, but here's a supposed graph

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...026&height=417

That is from the census the devs put out, so it's valid. If you look at the individual numbers for a single race/gender combination, Hrothgar is more popular than female Roe, male Roe, and female Elezen. Makes you wonder how much more popular they'll be when the hats and hair are not restricted, and we have female Hrothgar added.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Makes you wonder how much more popular they'll be when the hats and hair are not restricted, and we have female Hrothgar added.

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The real question is what happens to the "lore" when there are 10 female Hrothgar for ever 1 male. Something along the lines of what happened with Viera i'd imagine.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

The real question is what happens to the "lore" when there are 10 female Hrothgar for ever 1 male. Something along the lines of what happened with Viera i'd imagine.

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I mean nothing? In "lore" theres only 1 hrothgar of light, not however many exist in a server.
I know you were likely joking but "lore" is a trash reason to not have character races playable. The neon purple frog lala in your dungeon party doesnt exist as far as the story is concerned only your character does.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

I mean nothing? In "lore" theres only 1 hrothgar of light, not however many exist in a server.
I know you were likely joking but "lore" is a trash reason to not have character races playable. The neon purple frog lala in your dungeon party doesnt exist as far as the story is concerned only your character does.

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The "questioning" was valid, as SE said they didn't put viera male in the game, since in the story they were recluses. If we follow this logic, it was for the female hrothgar to already exist in the game, or else, it was for ONLY her to exist, since males are a minority.

SE proving once again that they only knows how to make excuses and lies. The real reason they didn't put viera male and hrothgar female in the game from the beginning is because they wanted to make the hot woman and the strong man. Change my mind.

And I leave it here for the near future: I don't doubt that the female Hrothgar will be the same as the female au'ra, a sexual dimorphism so great that you wonder how they reproduce.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

And I leave it here for the near future: I don't doubt that the female Hrothgar will be the same as the female au'ra, a sexual dimorphism so great that you wonder how they reproduce.

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Ah, allow the wizened wisdom of Spongebob enlighten you:
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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

Ah, allow the wizened wisdom of Spongebob enlighten you

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

The real question is what happens to the "lore" when there are 10 female Hrothgar for ever 1 male. Something along the lines of what happened with Viera i'd imagine.

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probably the same thing with the catbois/gals.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Mi3db_copy.png

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Originally Posted by Milus

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I'm hot as f***

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Thanks for the event hairstyle AND helmets that don't work on hroths and viera, square.

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Originally Posted by Denji

Thanks for the event hairstyle AND helmets that don't work on hroths and viera, square.

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I've said before, viera are absolutely getting roxas hair in 6.2
Will hrothgar? Well...if they can find time in the day to let ears clip instead of constructing a new head model without ears, mayhap. But unlikely.
I really wish they made the neoishgardian hat fit its the best hat design in the game for gods sake.

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Originally Posted by Milus

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I always think about how much better mviera would be if they wemt off that one draft art where they had fur and snouts and...muscles.
They were still plenty humanoid but actually looked rabbity instead of middy hyur with silly ears no.7.

I think male viera look amazing as they are. I wouldn't have liked it if they had snouts or were buff.
Besides, if you want something that's buff and has a snout, there's hrothgar lol

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

SE proving once again that they only knows how to make excuses and lies. The real reason they didn't put viera male and hrothgar female in the game from the beginning is because they wanted to make the hot woman and the strong man. Change my mind.

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I don't know about that. I think Yoshi P mentioned he and his team wanted to include a beastly race into the game as there was a demand for such a race. But there was also a lot of demand for viera as well. While male viera do exist in ffxii lore, only the iconic female viera have ever made an appearance, so the team went with female. It just kinda worked out that way.

The reason only male hrothgar and female viera were released was because including both genders of each race would functionally be the equivalent of creating 4 new races. It was all a matter of work flow. Viera and hrothgar were supposed to be the final races added to the game, so the team had to make a decision - one they thought would make the most amount of people happy. The graphics team did not want to disappoint, and tried to appease both groups of people. (And just for context, there were so many people who wanted to play as viera for many, many years. And there were many players who wanted to play as a beast race for equally just as long.)

Nah male viera are fine, femboy representation is necessary, I just wanted to meme.

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Originally Posted by Milus

femboy representation is necessary

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were miqo'te, elezen and midlander not enough? we needed another one?

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Originally Posted by hfang

were miqo'te, elezen and midlander not enough? we needed another one?

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All of those look boyish, but not really feminine. At the very least, they don't fill the same ultra feminine Amano look of the earlier FF as well as Male Viera do.

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Originally Posted by hfang

were miqo'te, elezen and midlander not enough? we needed another one?

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Miqo'te, elezen, and midlander aren't feminine though. Before male viera were a thing, I always thought there was a lack of elegant male options. So I'm glad we got a slim and elegant character model for males.
And I think ffxiv has a decent amount of masculine looking races (male au ra, highlander, roegadyn, hrothgar, and midlander depending on how you customize them)
I don't really consider elezen an option because their proportions are not good in my opinion, and a lot of people think this as well.