That situation sucks. I was part of a guild on WoW, we did end game raiding, saved up crafting mats in the guild bank for some of the higher end crafting pieces. Guild I was a part of for 2 years, guild leader suddenly ninja'd the guild bank and left. People can spout the whole "you shouldn't donate a lot of money unless you trust the leader" thing all they want, but when it comes down to it.. internet is internet, and people will be jerks. People that seemed fine from day one can suddenly show a completely different face and bail on you. There is no way to know if someone is going to do that to you or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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12-22-2013, 07:09 PMSunarie
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12-22-2013, 07:20 PMsilentwindfr
we can talk of this all the day, the sole real trouble is the discrimation, we pay all our subscription for Final Fantasy 14: ARR, and actually, some play a different version of the same game of us... instead to make the same feature for everyone... they have try to adapt it for a small portion of the playerbase and create a system that clearly not even for everyone...
this price can be affordable for some... but with the actual generation of gil... it's clearly impossible for new player or poor legacy player to afford a house before age. this system, will never solve the trouble of gil into the game... only a hard stance by a wide wipe of the too much gil can do it.
but let be honest when it was done on the new player server because of the rmt... people have scream to injustice...
now, we have difference for different player base, based on the server you are. is that normal in 2013 soon 2014 to see this in a mmorpg with subscription? no.
do the solution to make the new player and poor legacy player wait 3 month for get a price, that will still stay too high, the right one? no!
why this playerbase must wait for get acces to the same feature than the new player server? don't we pay our subscription like the other player? do it's normal to bashed player from legacy server with restriction, simply because they haven't seen come the trouble of gils when they have decide to simply reduce to 10%, instead to give an hard cap!
them action so far are annoying and tiring, because i haven't the feeling i'm welcomed to that game... we can't get the same feature than the new player... do that means the new player database is more important than the one on the legacy server?
why not stop this idiocy and simply treat every player like part of the same playerbase!
for information, make money from Auction house on the legacy server is far harder than on new player, why? because we have more offer than demand, more crafter, more gatherer... then everything is at low cost. then, the gil generation is far lower than on new player server.
i will finish with this: we must get the same game for everyone! no more new player/legacy difference in the restriction.
i already see people coming saying, yeah, but you have more item, more gil (not everyone on the legacy server is rich... i must have something like 800.000 gils so far) for me ARR is like an expansion that simply have change all the game, is not a new game, it's still final fantasy 14. why the fact to have played to the game before ARR must be punish? do you want to get the same treatment when the expansion will come out? i doubt it. -
12-22-2013, 08:13 PMASnogarD
Discrimination ? Sorry to be so harsh , but that is a load of rubbish.
New player on a Legacy server ? That is not SE's fault, if they adjust so a new player can afford the housing easily then all the older players will have NOTHING to work to as far as the housing system is concerned, and considering there are far more none legacy server available its unfair to the older players just to accommodate the new players.
There are players that relish a challenge, and do not expect everything handed out on a plate with little to no effort.
The cost of a house what seems a lot to a none legacy server is pittance to those on a legacy server.
New players should NOT join a legacy server unless they have friends on that server, and in that case its reasonable to assume the friends are in a FC that can afford or have means to work to the price of that server. -
12-22-2013, 09:14 PMMisaki^ /10charblahQuote:
Originally Posted by Taaz
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12-22-2013, 10:32 PMCubester
People keep talking about a challenge. What challenge? Collecting gil is not a challenge, it's merely a massive time sink that is in place because SE can't make proper assessments when it comes to their server infrastructure.
If I want a challenge I'll go play a hard PvE dungeon, or do some PvP. Housing, which is considered casual content by most if not all games, should not be challenging to attain. At least not for an entry level house. -
12-22-2013, 11:28 PMArkhamNative
Rare-X invited the public into their medium house. Very nice, both the house and the welcoming gesture. I stepped off (measured) the interior and it was indeed less than the exterior boundary. I guess houses look bigger on the inside. (Inside: 13x20 steps, empty lot construction boundary: 18x23 steps.)
Obviously it's at least 3x larger than a small house due to having 3 larger floors, but the stairwells do take up some space so maybe it's only 4-5 times as large as a small. The pricing is 3x that of a small, so that seems to be ok. I do wonder if a large is 3x the size of a medium, or if that 3x price is justified by future features that only large houses can have access to, or maybe due to scarcity. there are 15 per world currently, but apparently it's set at 10% of houses (each zone has 3 large, 7 medium, and 20 small). -
12-23-2013, 12:01 AMArkhamNativeWe all knew this was going to happen sooner than later. It really is just donating huge sums of money to an individual stranger on the Internet. Whether people are kicked out or want to leave voluntarily, it's quite a mess, both by the ToS and legally. (People can and do sue in the real world over virtual property and implied agreements.). Surely SE saw this coming, too? We should find out by how they handle this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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12-23-2013, 12:21 AMSleverinThe main point I agree with here is that it does feel like SE has just been focusing on getting a new playerbase so bad that they'd like to shaft the Legacy players. New players won't has as much? Time for a gil reduction! How about we just start handing gil out as a door prize, triple what we used to?! Hey, hell, let's start giving out level IV materia to flood the markets even further to give people a bit more cash! They're trying to balance the gil field by forcing us to pay more while giving the new kids more, for what reason I don't know, since I had no idea that Eorzea was attempting to be some heavily Socialistic utopia.Quote:
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12-23-2013, 12:45 AMJ_Kepler
WHAT THE F**K! 20 mil for a small plot?!
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12-23-2013, 01:19 AMTaekrys
I'm also worried they are building themselves an alibi.
I mean, it's obvious that when a feature just released is playable by the 0% of the players on day one (because FC rank) and less than 1% of them after one week, something doesn't add up.
You think that announcing the prices 3 days away from patch it's random? They knew abount the incoming ragewave.
"Hey, patch is out now, too late to fix that beforehand, sorry!"
But what really troubles me, though, is...
When a month will pass, and let's say 10-11 FC in each servers will have a house, will they be able to lower the prices? Consistently?
Or they will say something like "We can't refund money already spent to players which spent them already, so to not be unjust we won't touch them"?
I think the right way for the players to handle the matter, is to stop paying monthly bill to SE till they don't cut A LOT the prices.
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12-23-2013, 01:37 AMTalyniaIt's easy to say people aren't looking at the whole picture when you're not on one of the servers where the small house starts at 20mil. Fact is SE did not plan their servers for housing and now are using that, the rich few, and RMT as the main reasons for making the prices so high.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostGunslinger
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12-23-2013, 01:45 AMCYoung187
Rich FC: "Hey everyone in The Goblet come check out the house we just built! Hello? Everyone?"
What is the draw to even buy a house? It isn't building a community if there is nobody else there. Housing districts will continue to be ghost towns until prices change. Sorry but having to spend 40 hours a week for months and months playing a video just to save gil isn't a challenge, it's a job. It's a waste of time and not why anyone plays this game.
In a month there might be 4 or 5 houses per server, in which only the top 2 or 3 players in each FC get to customize. So what 15 people will get to enjoy housing in each server. Sounds exciting. Totally worth killing the economy. -
12-23-2013, 02:55 AMMortalWare
Seem RMT Gil Sellers are starting to profit already from this decision. FC that have just been created this month are buying large houses.. totally legit? Maybe, but more likely they are just purchasing Gil.
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12-23-2013, 03:09 AMTrystWildkeyFirst, you are on Phoenix, the second cheapest server set. PLEASE take a look at the prices on Balmung or Durandal and tell me those are fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASnogarD
I'm on a legacy server, I am a legacy player. My FC has saved about 1 million gil. So tell me again that all legacy players see 40 million for the tiniest, worst house as a pittance.
Also, why on earth would it be a new players fault for choosing a legacy world? What other game can you name that has had a completely different pricing scheme for a feature based on the world you choose at the beginning? No, it is NOT reasonable to think that everyone who is a legacy character has the means to purchase these houses. Do you know how many houses have been purchased on Durandal so far? ONE. ONE SMALL HOUSE. That's it.
Again, I'm getting really, really tired of hearing from players on the cheap servers who think the pricing is fine, and think that I need to work for this feature. -
12-23-2013, 03:34 AMLiadansWhisperIf they don't cut the prices, I will quit. That will be it for me. Probably won't matter much to SE, but I'll go back to WoW and get my player housing for free in the new expansion. I technically already have a house on my farm, I just can't really share it with anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taekrys
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12-23-2013, 03:35 AMMortalWare
You would think Legacy players would be REWARDED for supporting the game all through 1.0 right? But nope, we get shafted with higher pricing instead.
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12-23-2013, 05:21 AMPSxpert2011There's a station here in AZ, 197KUPD and they promote "Homeless for the Holidays" to bring awareness of all the unapreciated military VETs and other homeless.Quote:
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12-23-2013, 05:31 AMNaunetThis should tell you more about the state of the housing system overall than anything. If obtaining the plot and house is really the be-all, end-all of housing, that is a failure of a housing system. The decorations and upgrades and addition of various modules should be where the "work" goes - not in just initiating the content.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASnogarD
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12-23-2013, 05:52 AMKinseykinzEasy to say when you happen to be on a server that has WAY cheaper prices, and therefore easier to obtain lots. We've been saving since 1.0 and SE purposefully, looked at how much we as legacy players had already saved and said, screw you all, you want it...this is what it'll cost. Meaning it was impossible for us to actually save for it...because they would have just raised the price point more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostGunslinger
Stop acting like people are whining when they first week content was released they couldn't clear it. We've been saving gil for 2 years for this.
Lastly, your point might have SOME credit if homes weren't being sold on the New Worlds...but that isn't what's happening. Every day, on new worlds, FC's ARE buying homes and getting to enjoy that content and feature. On legacy worlds though: Nada...except for maybe one FC who wanted world first/to show off wealth and/or didn't read where as long as we wait 3 months, our prices (on legacy worlds) will be the same as most New Worlds.
ANd when SE announced after 3 months, Legacy worlds could have World 3 prices....well, they should have just adjusted our prices then...because it IS unfair that even though SE admitted 'okay, so maybe that was a little uncalled for'...they have done NOTHING about it. -
12-23-2013, 07:15 AMCoris
SE says that there is a lot of gil on the Legacy Servers but to be honest I do not know anyone who has that much money. I would've had more if the three friends I played with and I didn't throw everything they had together to buy our Tank's pre-relic back at the end of 1.0. We believed he would be fine in 2.0 and could catch up his quest progress. Well, this didn't happen and he had to start from the beginning so all the Gil was wasted.
So, after the cutting of the Gil, I started 2.0 with around 300k in my bag and I am still sitting on this amount (planning on putting everything else in the chest now) because everything I earned since August went straight into our FC chest. We managed to save up 2mil by then and thought it would be a nice start. Now seeing these prices kind of hit us hard, because it took us some time to even gain these 2mil and gaining something between 75-93mil feels impossible to achieve in a decent time. (<- We aim at least for a mid-sized house because small is... small.)
I for myself clearly do not have a problem to save gil in general but doing this for months?! While other servers can have their houses in around half of the time? It feels so unfair.
Of course I read the newest post by Yoshi-P but what he wrote still means (to me) that others will have theirs earlier than we do and since we are already waiting for it since 1.0... The feeling of unfairness just wouldn't leave. Plus by looking at our new players it just gets stronger. I clearly do not want to ask them everyday to donate all of their earned gil.
Going to repeat myself a little here...
On the german forums, other players from different non-legacy servers call us, who dislike these high prices, whiners. They say we should work for it and that this content is something you shouldn't be able to buy on day one. One even said that housing clearly isn't for casuals. Well, this content was advertised for months and we old players knew about it for even a longer time. Yes, we had more time to save gil, but still we got it cut down and the situation on our markets is now worse in comparison to theirs what gave them an advantage while saving up. In my opinion players on 2.0 servers have it easier to save up gil and maybe even have more than players on Legacy servers. The new content (Daily Quests) may give us gil but for what I understood from Yoshi-P's post, we have to put EVERYTHING we earn from that into our FC chest.
All in all: My FC and I were really looking forward to this but I am/we are not fine with these prices and don't want to rip-off all our members just by achieving/doing content that was meant to be something casual/fun to do for the whole FC.
P.S.: I heard that only those with large houses can build a ship? Well... We are a Pirate FC and always dreamed of having one but as it is now it seems that this won't happen.
I am sure I repeated myself (and others maybe) but I just agree with the majority here!
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12-23-2013, 08:33 AMBeeraga
My FC was really looking forward to working together on making a nice house to hang out in. Since the patch (and really since prices were released), I have seen a decline in logins for my FC. They achieved the worst possible scenario with this, making paying customers lose motivation to even bother logging in, or stop paying altogether. No one in their right mind wants to farm a hundred million gil together or collectively for housing, just to start trying to build a house.
Edit: These prices need fixing fast, I doubt many people will want to wait around for 6 months to see if SE gets their heads out of the sand. -
12-23-2013, 08:40 AMAbriael
After 136 pages of thread (and an even bigger one on the Japanese forums) you'd think someone at Square Enix would have noticed that maybe, just maybe, their pricing system and proposed changes aren't sitting well with a large part of the gaming population.
Yoshida-san, the first thing you promised when you took the helm of this game was to listen to your players. This is the time to fulfill that promise. -
12-23-2013, 08:41 AMAzumaKunI think they had said the put a lot of thought into the pricing for housing. Nothing the minority says will change their mind. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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12-23-2013, 08:48 AMAbriaelDo come back when you have a way to demonstrate that we're "the minority," please and thank you, because basic statistics say that's unlikely.Quote:
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12-23-2013, 08:53 AMMariyaShidouBecause none of the house plot was bought on Masamune, the undisputed most populated server since 1.0, is the proof of minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumaKun
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12-23-2013, 09:02 AMRoris
Thankfully the people defending this pricing decision are the actual minority. I agree though, I don't have much faith they'll do anything about it, at least not until 2.15 in January like they've already said.
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12-23-2013, 10:01 AMAxidrain
tonberry server, i see one small house in gridania and one medium house. other plots are empty.
limsa, there is one large house and one medium i think. havent checked uldah. regardless. goes to show that the prices are just stupid that no one is buying anything right now. oh and the small house? ugh. its really small. it might fit a 4 man fc, any more and it would be wayy to crowded. but for 8 million? i dont think that many 4 man fc's can afford it :3 -
12-23-2013, 10:24 AMBloodydeathprice
I think its a reasonable price. There is a 90 day discount to make a goal to save enough money. If you don't earn enough money, then you can save for another 90 days. I personally don't like a game that it is easy to get/achieve EVERYTHING; the game would be boring in that case. That is my two cents; as you don't care what I say, I don't care what you have to say. Stop whining and start playing!!
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12-23-2013, 11:21 AMTrystWildkeyWhy do you think it's a reasonable price?Quote:
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12-23-2013, 12:08 PMTalyniaEasy to get? It makes no sense that its easy to get to 50, easy to get a relic, and yet its a 90 day grind for an entire FC for a plot of land. Not the house, not the decorations, the plot of land. Also, that 90 day goal isn't so cut and dry. A Free Company can save for the entire 3 months, go to buy the house, and see someone bought the same size plot in the ward they want. What does that mean? Saving for another 3 months because the price of the plots has reset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodydeath
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12-23-2013, 12:24 PMAzumaKun
The people voicing their opinion on this forum are the minority: fact.
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12-23-2013, 01:05 PMMillimidgetTo be honest, I thought FC housing was just a sting operation, so I would assume so.Quote:
Originally Posted by MortalWare
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12-23-2013, 01:19 PMLawman
what bugs me about all this is when talking about housing SE/DEVS kept saying "Look forward to it!", "Look forward to it!", "Look forward to it!", "Look forward to it!" etc... but really there is nothing to look forward to. So now we all feel like we were robbed. We were told to look forward to it but now all we have are empty dreams. The majority of FC's just can't afford Housing especially with the markets taking a dive. No one wants to spend! they have to save their Gil for housing (lol).
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12-23-2013, 01:19 PMKalleraThe silence of non forum goers does not necessarily mean they disagree. Also consider this thread, and it's partner are one of the most viewed and liked threads in the forum, not to mention the bad press the decision of the housing prices has given. Abriael's article wasn't the only one out there that reported and had comments from other gamers. The decision and response of these discriminatory pricing is one that can effect how people view their subscription to this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumaKun
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12-23-2013, 01:27 PMAyaneKiwaraTo continue this ,this thread has 170k views in a week, when some popular threads from August barely have 100k. Pretty good indication that this is a big topic. Additionally even if it's a minority, a massive uproar on the forums is a pretty good barometer for the state of things throughout the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallera
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12-23-2013, 01:34 PMSleverin
Note also, that the sister JP thread has 260 pages, 2600 posts, and 960+ thousand views. If that's a minority, I'd love to see what people think is a majority.
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12-23-2013, 02:38 PMMariyaShidouThe minority (those who agree with the pricing) of the supposedly minority (forum goers) is not majority: fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumaKun
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12-23-2013, 02:42 PMAxidrain
one of the very few things that most of the members of this forum agree on. price for housing is too high.
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12-23-2013, 02:50 PMTalyniaWhile a small part of the population posts on the forum I think the number of houses bought on each server, especially the small plots, clues us in on the opinion of the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumaKun
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12-23-2013, 02:57 PMRoris
Blindly defending the game and company and coming up with convoluted excuses or strawmen won't ever help the game at all, voicing our concerns and feedback on what's wrong with the game and could very much harm it and the players in various ways, such as high housing prices, will ultimately help the game. That is of course if the feedback is heard and there's a positive change.
Fact.