Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

You don't even need parsers to see who's doing a terrible job or just how terrible a party is. If you are encounter me and you're doing a dreadful job in an expert roulette I'm in, I will call you out without having a parser for wasting my time.

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Maybe so, but it doesn't hurt to have the DPS feel the simmer of performance anxiety on the sole of their feet when a parser is in play. Bad enough the tanks and healers have to deal with it all the time, because their performance directly impacts the group's survivial, whereas damage dealers 'only' stretch out the clear times in regular duties.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

Parsers and FFlogs can read the data to see who is failing the mechanics, there's plenty of useful data that can be gained from a parse even if the content isn't too difficult. Another example of data you can get is the timeline of when the boss goes invulnerable so you know when to hold your CDs. I really don't understand why people are so afraid of having parsers in every part of this game, it really doesn't hurt anyone to have it available from the very beginning. If you can't trust people with this tool, then the community is rotten to the core and the game is fundamentally making people "toxic" as they say.

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I do agree, but let's face reality for a moment here. People will find an excuse to be stupid by default. Implementing official parsers for all levels of content is not worth the headaches from the community at the earlier end of the content spectrum, period. I would not rather give certain people ammo about how parsers are to blame for all of the game's problems for content that such data really isn't critical for, especially those without enrage timers and in the context of certain jobs not really getting the tools to function coherently until much later in the game (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, MACHINIST).

Lord knows we already have enough RDMs in ARR content screaming at their co-DPS to work harder without realizing that no other job can even touch RDMs in ARR, due to how front-loaded their damage is compared to every other DPS in the early levels. Oh, and mass pulling tanks in freaking Toto-Rak, Hakkuke, or Brayflox in the presence of DPS classes that don't even have their AoE skills yet.

Savage/Ultimate only (and training dummies/Stone, Sky, Sea) is my stance. Everywhere else is not worth the trouble.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

I do agree, but let's face reality for a moment here. People will find an excuse to be stupid by default. Implementing official parsers for all levels of content is not worth the headaches from the community at the earlier end of the content spectrum, period. I would not rather give certain people ammo about how parsers are to blame for all of the game's problems for content that such data really isn't critical for, especially those without enrage timers and in the context of certain jobs not really getting the tools to function coherently until much later in the game (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, MACHINIST).

Lord knows we already have enough RDMs in ARR content screaming at their co-DPS to work harder without realizing that no other job can even touch RDMs in ARR, due to how front-loaded their damage is compared to every other DPS in the early levels. Oh, and mass pulling tanks in freaking Toto-Rak, Hakkuke, or Brayflox in the presence of DPS classes that don't even have their AoE skills yet.

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Those people are going to scream that parsers are the problem already, if you make something idiotproof then someone will build a better idiot. Enrage timers are the least of my concern and certain jobs are designed like trash because they change dramatically at several level ranges but SE is a small indie studio so they can't spare the resources to streamline the jobs from 1 to cap despite the fact that several jobs are in need of it. But, you're again giving credit to the idea that there's these imaginary boogeymen who are going to jump on someone for pulling slightly less DPS in Sastasha.

I've never met a single RDM do that, so I can't even fathom that. I mean hell I pull massive amounts of mobs in content like Toto-Rak and such because it's easy and it's still quicker, these are problems that don't exist, you just don't pull as wildly if there isn't AoE skills. This has nothing to do with parsers, this has everything to do with dungeons being boring slogs and jobs not getting essential skills until you're almost at level cap or at cap. What you're telling me is that the community is fundamentally incapable of being trusted with this knowledge because of a few bad eggs and if we're going to throw out the batch because of a few bad eggs then I guess we're going to get more threads of people demanding they stop making Savage/Ultimate because it isn't their kind of content since nobody will improve, so they'll try to drag it down to their level.

FFXIV is a paradox of a game, they hide information from you, their rotations are lengthy, there's a TIME LIMIT on how long you have to do dungeons BUT you're still expected to treat it as a casual experience when it's impossible to educate someone on their class because their rotation is like 25 buttons with intricate details like oGCDs. You know what is a good source of toxicity? That timer, if I have to reapply Protect or I see like 60 minutes remaining on the duty list, that makes me feel awful and it lets me know that people are severely screwing up or not trying.

The game will have to dumb down the rotations if they want to really stop the toxicity between "for fun" and "for not doing this dungeon any longer than I have to" players.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I'm... actually perfectly okay with parsers being restricted to EX Primals, Savage and Ultimate. Have it be an option you can check when making a PF not unlike how the Recorder works. That being said, a full premade party could have that same option for dungeons. Just leave it as is if you elect to queue solo.

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Why restrict a learning tool to solely the content you're already supposed to have learned this stuff before attempting?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Why restrict a learning tool to solely the content you're already supposed to have learned this stuff before attempting?

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I wouldn't, personally, but it'd at least be a step in the right direction. Call it a compromise of sorts if the devs actually allowed parsers.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Right. Aside from that distraction from the 27-year old who whined about millennials in another thread (being around the same age as me and probably younger than half the people in this thread) and said something stupid about raiders and parsers supposedly being unemployed losers that doesn't really need to be piled on any further...



I would not actually include EX Primals in that category, if only because the average difficulty of them as of late has really dropped to the point where official support for parsing really isn't necessary at all in there. It'd cause more problems there rather than anything else, particularly more people enforcing certain party comps, and we don't need THAT in content that is only meant to serve as a bridge to Savage raiding (especially when you're expected to run EX primals maybe hundreds of times on release to get the mounts if you decide to go for them, as opposed to Savage being weekly gated affairs). Failures from EX Primals have far more to do with failing mechanics that outright wipe the run, rather than hitting enrage.

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I think it depends on the EX Primal to be quite honest, about whether or not you're hitting enrage and still wiping it, when Shinryu and Byakko was first released, people were actually hitting the enrage timers on those, and people were almost ALWAYS hitting the enrage with Sophia whenever she was released in like....9 out of 10 parties I was in. It's all personal experience and circumstantial really for every person.

I didn't see the enrage timers on Sephirot or Zurvan (especially on Zurvan because more people died to Soar, Southern Cross, or tethers more often than not), never saw enrage on Ravana, Bismarck, Susano, or any of the ARR ones.


......And I unfortunately had to bear witness to enrages about two to three times on Tsukiyomi.

Yes , guys, she has an enrage....I didn't want to ever see it, but it happened. Luckily, I have 99 totems and that's one less problem or thing for me to run now! :D

OP, this might blow your mind but people can derive enjoyment from the same game in multiple different ways. NOW NOW, nobody panic, I know it's a radical idea in these forums, but yes, it is indeed possible for 2 people to have fun in a game with 2 different goals in mind! What crazy times we live in guys....

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

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I dont get it but, thanks for destroying my Nieces still ongoing childhood, she loves Kingdom Hearts.

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Originally Posted by Tiaque

I dont get it but, thanks for destroying my Nieces still ongoing childhood, she loves Kingdom Hearts.

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If my childhood survived developer sabotage from Dream Drop Dissonance, your niece's can survive a shitpost gif.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I had to stop reading after this part, it was just too much bs for one person to ingest on a healthy level.

And after skimming the rest of it, I can honestly say that I made the right decision.

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Dont worry, I understand you have limitations. And likely cannot multitask or read fast, alot cant, you do not have to feel bad.

@24spencer. Kid, this is my second account, and I been playing since 1.0 BETA, I lost my primary account due to factors I wont explain here, but you can find my char of the same name on another server, and I have these ridiculous color code parsers come up in the past. And I will again once I feel like raiding again, theirs more to life than this game, such as well, playing other games, and going to the gym.

@Bourne laugh all ya want, do you even have a Mesuline Mauler title? You can check my primary account character, ill even open achievements up on him, if I am able to, you will see I gotten it at 2.0. Doubt its something you can do, but then again, who cares about titles from super hard content these days? Half the ultimate legend titles I seen, were bought by players who payed the Group money and allowed them to take over their account. Fact is, that I am able to rile you up so easily means you have insecurity. You are new at mind games arnt you?

@MoroMurasaki See @Bourne

@Hyo How without a parser? Its called Multitasking and being able to do Calculations inside your head. I am well aware a majority of people fail at math *As seen on Construct these days....* but if you are able to multitask and do simple calculations, you dont need a parser to get an estimate on someones dps.

Seeing as the pages skyrocketed like I knew it would, thus why I simply ignored the thread a couple days to let those I quoted basically, fall for it. I just basically proven and shown how ridiculous elitists and those who think they have something to prove, in a video game, can be for you OP. The thing is, even if Parsers were completely forbidden, even if SE somehow found a way to prevent parsers from working. Even if SE placed some tracker on your computer with your XIV install to look for parser usage thus preventing any and all use bottom line...

Elitists and those obsessed over a video game will always, always try to find a way, to lord over you, try to prove they are a "Superior Human Being" over you, or generally troll or belittle you, because sadly, it is Human nature, majorly found in mostly young players between the ages of 16 to 32. As you clearly saw, all I had to do was make a few statements saying I can do this, and I can beat you at that, then they all got up in arms, checking my lodestone spite not knowing this is a second account I am starting over again, and have no realization that my primary account has a couple world firsts, and been ridiculously high up on logs during the stints I played, but thats besides the point. The point is, you will find players of these types in any mmo, be it Hello Kitty Island Adventure *jokes* or ESO, or Wildstar, or Aion, or BDO, FFXI, TERA, Maple friggen story, Ragnarok Online, etc. I been playing mmorpgs for near two decades now, and this kind of behavior you will see from people be it on forum or ingame, is always prevalent.

Once alot of these players I triggered easily gets older, and wiser, they will look back and realize how pointless it all is, that getting hot under the collar over a video game, that yelling, and cursing and belittling people, over a video game, is not only gonna make them feel very silly, but will make them ask themselves "Why would I behave like this?" and so forth.

So, if you wanna not deal with elitists anymore and their B.S? Simply ignore them, SE cant do it for you, no mmo company can, you will find these types of players everywhere you go, thats why you simply either ignore them, make a network of friends to lessen the chance of running into these kind of players, or take preventive measures like chat filters, or simply learning and playing your class better. But overall, ever since a certain MMO, elitists have gotten worse, but truth is? Most of them would not be able to handle a more difficult MMO. I can assure you right now, the ones I quoted, and many others, would not last one week in a game like Everquest before Planes of Power, nor would they last a week in the upcoming Pantheon Rise of the Fallen. Because those games dont hand hold, they dont spell things out for you, they are not easy to play and requires great patience, something most players do not have anymore, hence why they get angry or upset, in a video game, at someone who is "wasting their time".

Play the game as you want, ignore the elitists. Have fun with a game YOU PAYED for. I suggest the ones I quoted adhere to my words and reflect on how silly they have been. Also, spend less time on the forums, its not good for you. I suggest maybe yanno, playing the game, or go play Golf. Golf is relaxing.