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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Endwalker, with eating burgers at the end of the world.

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You really hate Hamburgers.
Its hard to take you seriously, when you spend so much time and energy criticizing a character eating a Hamburger

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I don't see you complaining about the silly Zenos date scene where we got captured.

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Good point, you never bring up that scene, but you constantly bring up the Hamburger.

The eating burgers scene with the Scions has a close counterpoint in HW with the dinner scene with Aymeric, honestly. And Aymeric's fork and knife and the meal presented is not remotely medieval - or even 1600s Europe. I can understand if its modernity is jarring -but then Aymeric's dinner scene was just as jarringly modern to me, and this is FF where the setting inspirations are eclectic - and good writing needs changes of mood and downtime.

If only that Zenos scene ended with either the injury of a scion or the removal of one from the plot, then perhaps the forge ahead message would've resonated more with people after seeing the mouthpieces of this message go through a more recent ordeal. In any case, if not the burger scene then we also know that Estinien putting his boot on the dormitory balcony was also rather costly. And yet, not a scene, not even a still, not even a drawing depicting the Sundering.

How can anyone justify this?

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Originally Posted by Denishia

The eating burgers scene with the Scions has a close counterpoint in HW with the dinner scene with Aymeric, honestly. And Aymeric's fork and knife and the meal presented is not remotely medieval - or even 1600s Europe.

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No, but it still was more fitting in the fantasy setting of Ishgard than eating hamburgers that came straight out of a McDonald's bag with the world on the brink of ending. The two scenes are not remotely similar in terms of how dissonant they were with the tone and setting their respective expansions were supposed to depict.

You're not going to convince me that having a fancy dinner in Aymeric's mansion where he treated the player with respect and not goofiness is in any way comparable to seeing G'raha Tia wipe the cheese falling off his burger or Alisae taking the pickles off of hers.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If only that Zenos scene ended with either the injury of a scion or the removal of one from the plot, then perhaps the forge ahead message would've resonated more with people after seeing the mouthpieces of this message go through a more recent ordeal. In any case, if not the burger scene then we also know that Estinien putting his boot on the dormitory balcony was also rather costly. And yet, not a scene, not even a still, not even a drawing depicting the Sundering.

How can anyone justify this?



No, but it still was more fitting in the fantasy setting of Ishgard than eating hamburgers that came straight out of a McDonald's bag with the world on the brink of ending.

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I guess people don't try to enjoy a good last meal before heading off to war ever.

You have such a one track mind lol

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I guess people don't try to enjoy a good last meal before heading off to war ever.

You have such a one track mind lol

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And that meal didn't have to be McDonald's. When the setting and characters are cheapened or disrespected like this, expect to encounter voices who are against such things. No one is playing Final Fantasy games because they want to laugh at people eating hamburgers, they want to experience a Final Fantasy story that makes better use of their screentime.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

No, but it still was more fitting in the fantasy setting of Ishgard than eating hamburgers that came straight out of a McDonald's bag with the world on the brink of ending. The two scenes are not remotely similar in terms of how dissonant they were with the tone and setting their respective expansions were supposed to depict.

You're not going to convince me that having a fancy dinner in Aymeric's mansion where he treated the player with respect and not goofiness is in any way comparable to seeing G'raha Tia wipe the cheese falling off his burger or Alisae taking the pickles off of hers.

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We weren't in Medieval Ishgard....we were in Sharlyan that is leagues ahead in Technology with a more Modern aesthetic.
There was no disrespect to the player or the games story. You are caught up on literally nothing, and think this criticism bears any weight to the game and effected it in such a negative way that its worth spending so much time criticizing it.

Also, there was no McDonolds, there was an Eatery that has created and served vast amounts of different types of Food. A hamburger is not that out of this world.

ARR's Bismark sandwich makes the complaint about a burger showing up somewhere else in EW a little silly.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

We weren't in Medieval Ishgard....we were in Sharlyan that is leagues ahead in Technology with a more Modern aesthetic.
There was no disrespect to the player or the games story.

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Sharlayan, the nation that had been alluded to as being cruel and merciless when it came to handling the way in which they hoarded knowledge had an aesthetic so modern and unserious that it disillusioned those of us who expected something more compelling to be done with the place. You can be technologically advanced and modern while still keeping a tone appropriate for the expansion - but instead we got The Last Stand, dormitories, and far too many classroom lectures for my liking.

I would like to see the future locations of this game handled with better care than this one was.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Sharlayan, the nation that had been alluded to as being cruel and merciless when it came to handling the way in which they hoarded knowledge had an aesthetic so modern and unserious that it disillusioned those of us who expected something more compelling to be done with the place. You can be technologically advanced and modern while still keeping a tone appropriate for the expansion - but instead we got The Last Stand, dormitories, and far too many classroom lectures for my liking.

I would like to see the future locations of this game handled with better care than this one was.

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Now you literally have no defense or argument here.
All you are saying is you dont like it. Could have just said that instead of all the extra nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Now you literally have no defense or argument here.
All you are saying is you dont like it. Could have just said that instead of all the extra nonsense.

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When you take a nation known for sending assassins after people in order to safeguard its grip on the knowledge it has hoarded into a college town with a burger joint, I find that to be disrespectful to the setting and something that severely damaged my experience going through the story.