Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Having males beat the crap out of females under the guise of being a woman is discrimination towards women again. This is a logistical issue, not discrimination. You cant have fully grown males compete with females. They are structurally different and confer biological advantages beyond the norm, and no HRT does not change that.

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that isn't really correct, it's a little more complicated. factors like if they were on blockers before HRT, age of transition, their hormone levels before transition, to how long they've been on HRT and genetics can cause a huge range of outcomes from biological female levels to John Cena. The right and left have these preconceived ideas that suck all the nuance out. Are their trans athletes with advantages? yes, does that go for all trans athletes? no

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Originally Posted by Mosha

that isn't really correct, it's a little more complicated. factors like if they were on blockers before HRT, age of transition, their hormone levels before transition, to how long they've been on HRT and genetics can cause a huge range of outcomes from biological female levels to John Cena. The right and left have these preconceived ideas that suck all the nuance out. Are their trans athletes with advantages? Yes, does that go for all trans athletes? no

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This argument is only acceptable if you are for chemically castrating and mutilating children, who the majority will grow out of it. Even if they do have puberty blockers, it won't stop everything.

If this means it's too late for them to compete by the time they are 18, better wait and know than have their bodies destroyed and change their minds.

So unless you're advocating giving puberty blockers to an 8-13 yr old, your point doesn't matter. It's not about right and left. It's about not giving children who can't consent and don't know better body and mind-changing drugs that have a high chance of destroying their life before it even begins.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

This argument is only acceptable if you are for chemically castrating and mutilating children, who the majority will grow out of it. Even if they do have puberty blockers, it won't stop everything.

If this means it's too late for them to compete by the time they are 18, better wait and know than have their bodies destroyed and change their minds.

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you might want to read up on the effects of spironolactone, if you use a blocker and no cross-sex hormones your fertility will come back in 2 months after not taking spiro.

after all puberty blockers were developed to halt early-onset puberty in children.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

after all puberty blockers were developed to halt early-onset puberty in children.

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Long term effects of puberty blockers cause massive issues down the line, especially fertility. Yes in some cases it can be restarted but again to the question why are you giving children who don't know better and can't consent body and mind-altering drugs.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Long term effects of puberty blockers cause massive issues down the line, especially fertility. Yes in some cases it can be restarted but again to the question why are you giving children who don't know better and can't consent body and mind-altering drugs.

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Bone density issues what can be mitigated with help from medical professionals, its almost like doctors are trained professionals

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Originally Posted by Vryn

If you are advertising as LGBT friendly, the question is, why do you feel the need to? Do you not think your game is approachable to everyone who may be interested.

Most LGBT and straight people don't give a crap and want to have fun with their friends and family.

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The need is there for some folks because there are people who do "give a crap", whether you believe it or not. Shocking, I know.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

The biggest threat to the LGBT community is the people who actively go out and remind everyone about their status at every event, every time they have a conversation, or when someone makes a joke.

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When it comes to making jokes, as long as they are punching up and not down. Sadly, there are a lot of folks who think punching down jokes are okay, when it's just harmful. So, really it depends on what joke is being told, and there's a lot of punch down jokes that just aren't funny unless you are insensitive.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

No one likes vegans when they do it.
No one likes Religious people when they do it.
No one likes LGBT people when they do it.

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I get the vegan part.
Religious people do it anyways, and the church (granted not all people) tries to force the LGBTQ+ community to "try to be more normal" and try to push their own agenda against the community. Difference is, when religious people do it, it's to cause harm, not to try to become more accepted in society - there is a difference. I was a part of a church that kidnapped my sister's kids for a few days because she was a part of the LGBTQ+ and they thought she was "unfit". People a part of that church went to jail for that, obviously. But for reasons like this, I will forever and always be forced to believe that religious folks pushing "their agenda" and the LGBTQ+ with their "agenda" are vastly different.
When the LGBTQ+ do it, we just want to be more accepted, not to cause harm. The only "harm" that is being done, is when folks get offended that they merely exist and it's being "shoved down their throats". Please.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Bone density issues what can be mitigated with help from medical professionals, its almost like doctors are trained professionals

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Almost? I can see that, lol.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Bone density issues can be mitigated with help from medical professionals, its almost like doctors are trained professionals

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They shouldn't have to be mitigated, and the fact you are presenting that argument shows the issue. Societal abuse and medical experimentation of children is not okay even if you fix it later on, which you can't because it's not just bone density issues, muscle, organ development, cancers, mental development etc.

You are advocating for the body and mind-altering of 100 of thousands of children because you could potentially fix it and frankly, that's child abuse.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

They shouldn't have to be mitigated, and the fact you are presenting that argument shows the issue. Societal abuse and medical experimentation of children is not okay even if you fix it later on, which you can't because it's not just bone density issues, muscle, organ development, cancers, mental development etc.

Your advocating for the body and mind altering of 100 of thousands of children because you could potentially fix it.

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Where have I advocated for it? you seem to like putting words in my mouth.