This is just appalling

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

I really don't think you should compare a patch that had more bosses in a single raid instance than HW had over the entire course of the expansion and bash the single patch for its length.

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Your ignoring trials there. If we count Trials and Alliance raids, FF14 actually holds its own in the number of encounters pretty well. The only difference is the variation in difficulty levels and FF14 has less combat encounter developers. Considering FF14 has a smaller playerbase and almost certainly smaller budget it holds it's own pretty well.

WoW is guilty of massive content droughts. They may have fixed that in Legion though we are yet to see what the break between the end of Legion and the next expansion is yet but after WoD, no one should be pointing at WoW for any idea of quality content development.

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

because they have a fairly consistent timer

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his argument was that the timer was inconsistent. that was the argument. You went off said rails.

https://youtu.be/WXA559KNopI?t=445
I think this is true for SE as well. The prices I see is the result throwing darts at a dart board wondering if it is low enough to get enough "whales" to pay for the cost to make for it and to make a profit.

about my only beef with the cash shop atm is that way too many items are "character" bound instead of account bound, but I respond to that by not buying things. As others said vote with your wallet, course i also realize that they are a business and they want/need to make money.

on the "wow patches" thing, the issue is no one will ever question WoWs dedication to raiding, they will question their dedication to literally every other aspect of their game. Also having raids with 18 bosses, for the sake of just having alot of loot pinatas is overall as inspired as the rest of their development. (even now with legion) I personally really liked WotLK for example and even during icecrown, many of those bosses were blatant filler. I won't even go over bosses in WoD and emerald nightmare for no other reason that i don't even remember them lol. (only seen videos of NH so guess you can try to convince me that in nighthold they were all memorable and special :P) This is me "giving" the argument the benfit of the doubt too and not counting trials and 24 man bosses into the mix, hell there is a reason why wow tends to go the route of "wings" 4 wings 16 bosses etc etc cuz they then get to shove generic villain A B and C between wing bosses.

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

loot pinatas

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And this is why I refrained from getting into a critique of the content of WoW patches... but "loot pinatas". No kidding. :D

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

Also having raids with 18 bosses, for the sake of just having alot of loot pinatas is overall as inspired as the rest of their development. (even now with legion) I personally really liked WotLK for example and even during icecrown, many of those bosses were blatant filler. I won't even go over bosses in WoD and emerald nightmare for no other reason that i don't even remember them lol.

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Simply because you clearly chose to do encounters on easy difficulties doesn't mean that they're loot pinatas.

And please, don't even bring that phrase up when we're playing a game where the only difficult content comes in tiers of 4 bosses 3 times an expansion and every other boss is either a complete LFR-style pushover or a new single boss trial that gets killed by a random pug after an hour of trying. Seriously, get real.

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Originally Posted by savageink

And this is why I refrained from getting into a critique of the content of WoW patches... but "loot pinatas". No kidding. :D

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my critique comes from a place of love though :P as in I used to love it, then i used to think it was ok...then i thought it was meh, then i was like "wtf is this" to "world of diablocraft huh? w/e sure some ppl will like it im out" :P Still, i get it wow is still very generous to its raiders in the long run (won't go into why i think the world firsts raiders drop like flies now :P ), but "overall" development in a breath of content vs time, wow even to the point I played to in legion, leaves much to be desired. FF14 has delivered things I like, things i dislike, but has always been consistent with giving me something per patch when wow has left me way too often wanting anything outta them.

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

Simply because you clearly chose to do encounters on easy difficulties doesn't mean that they're loot pinatas.

And please, don't even bring that phrase up when we're playing a game where the only difficult content comes in tiers of 4 bosses 3 times an expansion and every other boss is either a complete LFR-style pushover or a new single boss trial that gets killed by a random pug after an hour of trying. Seriously, get real.

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you are right i didn't do the cutting edge on wow, i also don't do the cutting edge on ff 14 :P Difference is that in ff 14 I continue to have things to do and in wow i just had AP grinds or quit, so i left. This is a recurring fight in the wow community too, where the fanboi defense to this date is "there is alot to do you don't do" vs those that say they do not enjoy what is available. There is a world of difference between breath of content and quantity.

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

Simply because you clearly chose to do encounters on easy difficulties doesn't mean that they're loot pinatas.

And please, don't even bring that phrase up when we're playing a game where the only difficult content comes in tiers of 4 bosses 3 times an expansion and every other boss is either a complete LFR-style pushover or a new single boss trial that gets killed by a random pug after an hour of trying. Seriously, get real.

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You forgot fishing.