Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by Taika

You do realise that if one SCH spends 30% of their time healing and 70% DPSing, and another SCH spends 100% of their time healing, and both are keeping their parties alive, the first one is much better at their job... No one is saying that healers shouldn't cover the healing requirements for an instance. It's simply logical that after those healing requirements are covered, the healer will spend rest of their time doing something useful (which is DPS).

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Of course I realise that and understand all of your posts, but the one and only reason for me playing this game is because I love healing. Like I said before If I couldnt heal I wouldnt play it. I am just a little tired of people looking at healers and going no dps vote kick. Not me cos I hardly enter the fray any more cos of such intolerance and dps not doing their jobs pointing fingers at healers. I wanted to point out I do dps given the space with my capability

Don't DPS but you will be considered a mediocre healer. Nobody is going to say you are a good healer if you don't even try or you don't want to DPS. If you are trying to be considered a good healer, you aren't going to.

You sign up as a "healer", as you have the skillset most capable of keeping people alive, but your healing skills are only a portion of the tools you have available. Your DPS skills exist as a means to help kill the enemy faster during the time that do not need to provide healing (of which there is ample opportunity). Killing an enemy faster is the best form of "healing" there is. Don't have to heal when there's no damage taken.

While SMN and BLM can bring Physick to a duty, them using it is an incredibly inefficient use of their GCDs and thus should be reserved for the most dire of circumstances (eg if the healer is dead and they will not survive another hit). Due to the lack of MND, or Cleric Stance to swap their stats, they have incredibly poor healing output (~600hp for BLM's physick vs ~6000hp for WHM's cure 1), whereas healer DPS output is nowhere near as poor in comparison, and as stated many times before, you have lots of GCDs that would otherwise go to waste if you don't DPS as a healer. SMN and BLM do not have "spare" GCDs that can be wasted, unless mechanics force them to stop, or they intentionally stop casting (which is bad).

As always. remember your ABCs - Always Be Casting...and for the love of Thaliak, don't overheal.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Don't DPS but you will be considered a mediocre healer. Nobody is going to say you are a good healer if you don't even try or you don't want to DPS. If you are trying to be considered a good healer, you aren't going to.

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Compaired to some I am a mediocre healer I know this, That does not mean I dont try like 3 commends in the wall yesterday, but raid, while learng a fight I struggle and I need to learn the fight to do it. but cant learn it or practice enough cos of the intolerence of the communty

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Compaired to some I am a mediocre healer I know this, That does not mean I dont try like 3 commends in the wall yesterday, but raid, while learng a fight I struggle and I need to learn the fight to do it. but cant learn it or practice enough cos of the intolerence of the communty

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I don't think people care much if you try to play it safe in learning parties, and don't DPS much. If you do run into people like this - definitely let them know you aren't used to the outgoing damage yet and want to learn so that you can add in more DPS. I learned all of A10S and cleared it the same day - I did minimal DPS, as my main focus was keeping the group alive. Over the next few weeks I became more familiar, and I know when I can and cannot swap into cleric's stance, and I deal much more damage than I did in my first clear.

If you're willing to DPS but you're learning and don't want to go too crazy, I don't see why anyone should complain. It's the people who outright refuse to DPS that end up catching hate from other players in the group. Nobody should be asking for their healers to put out as much DPS as healers in, say, world first groups. As long as you do what you can, where you can, and keep the group alive, there shouldn't be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Compaired to some I am a mediocre healer I know this, That does not mean I dont try like 3 commends in the wall yesterday, but raid, while learng a fight I struggle and I need to learn the fight to do it. but cant learn it or practice enough cos of the intolerence of the communty

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Learn the fight as you intend to clear it. If you're there to clear as the support healer, you're there to learn how to dps as much as possible while figuring out where your healing is mandatory. This causes mistakes, stress, communications, corrections, and learning. But in the end the whole team is stronger for it. I'm talking about savage fights here and not casual content.

If you're only queueing for roulettes, and you aren't comfortable doing any more than minimal dps, no one's going to fault you for it. I've sat in cleric stance for the majority of a run and gotten three commends. I've gotten none. Ive been in parties that required very little healing. I've been in some that required every healing ability in my toolkit, and ONLY healing, to clear. It's all situational.

But saying that healers should ONLY use healing spells while in group duties, that I disagree with and will argue against until there's a fundamental change to the way this game plays.

I go into every single duty expecting to DPS. Why wouldn't I? The game design up until this point has shown me time and time again that I will have plenty of time to do so, and I've yet to be proven wrong. Sometimes it's far less than I expected at first. Sometimes I make a mistake and someone dies. Sometimes someone else make a mistake and doesn't get healed in time. Sometimes we wipe! But it's okay. We take it in. Learn from it. Get better. Grow.

People can see when you're actually making an effort, or when you're just standing there letting GCDs go to waste because nobody's health bar has moved enough in 30 seconds for you to cast a healing spell.

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Originally Posted by Elleia

I don't think people care much if you try to play it safe in learning parties..

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Yes well done :) Admire you for that but it takes me a little longer to learn fights themselves. Once ive learned the fights its good. Muscle memory or whatever it is. Then to time dps, and think different is another set of skills. All needs practice. I havent found the community as tolerent as you say though, dont mean here, mean random groups. Not here to cry about it though , Its if Ive experienced it others have too. Btw I stick to what I said, dont like dps being forced on me but while its there Ill try. Would like option thats all

if more healers in FF say nope, im here to heal & only heal, then all this bs about doing 2 jobs would pass & i for one am more than happy to be a part of this revolution.

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Originally Posted by imjustahealer

if more healers in FF say nope, im here to heal & only heal, then all this bs about doing 2 jobs would pass & i for one am more than happy to be a part of this revolution.

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The fact that you seriously think you're "doing two jobs" by making use of the skills that are given to you says all that needs to be said, really.