Yoshi-P on Character Growth

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Of course you do. Even if this system were to change in the future, it certainly wouldn't happen in a patch cycle.

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Yes, I understand that. But if we don't talk about it now, I think it won't change in the next expansion either.

The tome system should have stayed in ARR. They could have made a new system, still grindy, for HW. I think you can come up with a lot of ways to earn gear without keeping the same system for 4 years.

A little note : I think Wondrous Tails is a nice concept. It doesn't bring new content, but it still gives a new philosophy on how you chose the content you wanna do. On the other end, the last Anima requires at worst 24000 tomestones (Maybe less if they change the cost in Lore), while you're already grinding tomestones for every other gear you want.

Hildibrand doesn't need to be "deep". It was a great way to make silly things and include nods to previous FF games without fearing for consistency.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The tome system should have stayed in ARR. They could have made a new system, still grindy, for HW. I think you can come up with a lot of ways to earn gear without keeping the same system for 4 years.

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And maybe sports should stop keeping score, why do they keep score in every sport. they should change that up every few years too.

that's all tomes is, a number you can grind towards. they're not going to eliminate grinding. change purely for the sake of change is stupid.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that's all tomes is, a number you can grind towards. they're not going to eliminate grinding.

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That's not the only way to grind things, in case you didn't play any other MMO.
Changing to prevent boredom is the best kind of change.

Might read all the responses later while at work, but for now just wanted to say I actually agree with the yeasayers for once: if you don't like the game, leave. There is no clearer admission from the producer himself that they are not interested in changing the formula of this fluff-filled, on-rails doll simulator of a game. 4-man content and 24-man content will continue to be faceroll, you'll still be able to be decked out in raid-worthy gear just by playing three months out of the year, and new features will be added to hook in the easily-fulfilled with no long-term plans to keep said content afloat other than shoehorning it in to a long pointless weapon grind quest.

It's OKAY to like it, or not like it. But please don't kid yourselves into thinking things will drastically change. It sucked finally admitting that I am not this game's target audience, but...I'm not. They'll never drastically adjust the content to please me, and that's why I'm playing another MMO ATM.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Why is it that you must only play one video game? I have enough time to play FFXIV a few hours a day and play other console games. Yoshi P even said if you get tried of doing the content and a patch has been out for awhile play other games and come back when a new patch is out.

But I think FFXIV is the best MMO I have ever played, and its up there in the best video games ever. I like how there is new raids and dungeons every 3 months. I almost never run out of stuff to do in FFXIV.

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Lol one more time..for funsies - where did I say I only play one video game? Huh? What is up with the inability to read on these forums ; ; Is it just me that this happens to? lolol

Please show me where I said "I only play FFXIV" In fact I pointed out in my post my OP was about Tera and Aion LOL oh and Lineage 2! That is 3 other games in itself...with XI that makes 4.

Yo..if you are going to debate with me , please at least follow the conversation..I am not trying to be rude, its just how can you expect me to take this seriously when you cannot even read what I say and put words in my mouth?

This is great for you, if it is "up there in the best video games ever." there was also people who thought getting a mythic in FFXI was the greatest thing and game ever, also people who thought grinding in Lineage II for nobelesse quest was "the best game ever" you are entitled to your opinion but with the way subs are dropping I do not think many agree with that sentiment. ^^; It is an opinion and does not make it true.

So if we can manage to read properly - again, my point is not that the game is dying or its horrible, it is that Yoshida needs to try some things and stop playing it so safe and give us some more in depth stuff. For someone to not want more diversity and so forth I would say is rather close minded and shallow.

It all comes back to the producer suggesting you to unsub and play something else..

To be fair I believe it was meant to be if you don't like the core structure of the game it might be better for you to change the game, not that if you have a problem with a part of it in general

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Originally Posted by Remedi

To be fair I believe it was meant to be if you don't like the core structure of the game it might be better for you to change the game, not that if you have a problem with a part of it in general

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No core of any game should be a repeat of the same thing over and over and over. Having some similar elements is fine...but keeping things exactly the same and stale will never be fun. You can keep the foundation..of course, absolutely. But what is built upon it should be innovative and creative. Not the same thing with a new skin..

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

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If you were around, it was precisely this type of system in FFXIV 1.0 that was a factor in its doom. Solo THM on Dodore anyone? That's what happens even with what you describe, because there's still going to be a best set for every scenario. There's not much choice in that is there. You're still going to be told do get this piece for this content, and that piece for this. There's never going to be variety because the community will never allow for it.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

To be fair I believe it was meant to be if you don't like the core structure of the game it might be better for you to change the game, not that if you have a problem with a part of it in general

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This is exactly what I mean. Horizontal progression is not coming to this game. Pure support roles are not coming to this game. Removal of instances and heavy focus on forced-grouping overworld content is not coming to this game. Massive timesinks without any catch-up safety mechanisms are not coming to this game.

Most suggestions I see are along that line, and they don't mesh with the dev's design philosophy. This interview pretty clearly states that they have no intention of altering that philosophy, so if this casual-oriented, vertical progression, gear treadmill game with huge focus on RP, QoL, and character appearances isn't what you like, you shouldn't hold your breath for it to change.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

And my answer remains the same. You are still comparing apples and oranges. Character builds would essentially necessitate overhauling the entire character infrastructure. First and foremost, this is simply not possible in a patch cycle due to the cost and scope. Second, what does it actually accomplish? Okay, wonderful. We have character skill trees or means of influencing our stats. Within two weeks MrHappy, Xeno, Dervy, Mizzteq and every other guide maker on Youtube will produce videos on what the best allocations are for each of their preferred jobs and everyone will copy it.

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To support your point, Someone mentioned Monster Hunter earlier in the thread. All those armour, skill and customisation options. and yet I can go online in Monster Hunter Generations right now and, outside of outliers, I will be in a group with only "Gaijin Hunter/insert other youtube personality approved" gear.

This is the Illusion of choice in action.