Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

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Originally Posted by cryptic_angel

It has been stated several times that in 2.0 there was a lack of interest in raiding because of myth gear. That was the reason SE buffed the ilvl of the allagan weapons, because the BCoB had no other incentives other than BiS and Vanity at the time.

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This is an assumption and a poor one at that. I didn't raid in 2.0 not because i90 was available outside of raiding, but because my schedule, and own confidence, prevented me from wanting to attempt it. Gear availability had absolutely nothing to do with my decision. I highly doubt I am the only one.

That aside. Why do so many people care about what other people have/don't have?

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Do people just go around examining other's and evaluate their worth by comparing a gearscore? That sounds like an awful existence.

Shouldn't we be more concerned with whether the end game content is a fair test of team's combined skill and not the actual statistics on the gear? I enjoy working in a team to tackle hard challenges and the cool looking gear that comes from it, but the statistical value of equipment will be deprecated with time.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Do people just go around examining other's and evaluate their worth by comparing a gearscore? That sounds like an awful existence.

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Right? Who cares if someone gets i110 in one week? They will be idling in centers of city's just thinking of what to do next anyway, or doing what I do when I'm not hunting (leveling crafting/gathering classes).

Also people will raid when the new raid's item level exceeds i110. It's as simple as that really..

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

I didn't raid in 2.0 not because i90 was available outside of raiding, but because my schedule, and own confidence, prevented me from wanting to attempt it. Gear availability had absolutely nothing to do with my decision. I highly doubt I am the only one..

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On the other hand, I'm sure many people like me who simply refused to do Twintania because the weapons it dropped were either equal or straight up inferior to relic +1. Not to mention the amount of BiS pieces from Twin was less than you had party members (I think it was 5 pieces total). So when they buffed it, invigorated our desire to actually fight and win.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Your kidding yourself if you think this was ever the case.

1999 we raided X and Y events until when? We had the loot. Then you didn't do the events again for YEARS. Now? Sure we go run Plane of Time randomly for fun but thats YEARS later. No one raided current or last tier content and destroyed all the loot.

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And you're kidding yourself if you think people solely raid for gear. People raid for several reasons. To imply that raiding ends because an "easier" alternative exists to equivalent gear is incorrect because I still see Coil 1 learning parties.

Nothing wrong with other people getting their gear. Issue arises when hunt rewards are so good compared to everything else in the game. PF has been horrible since 2.3. Very few groups even attempting Ramuh Ex because hunt rewards are too good. People dropping out of dungeons and ST because someone said "S Rank Up" in a linkshell.

Its fine for players to have access to Sands at this point, but it has had a very negative impact on the other content surrounding the game. Who runs dungeons anymore when you can get faster myth/sol from hunts? IMO they should just remove myth/sol rewards from hunts completely.

Well I don't know why people wouldn't still raid. I have been doing research as I'm close to getting 50 now and from what I have been reading I'll be using hunts a stepping stone to catch up gear wise so that I can actually DO the raids. As a tank, this was something I was worried about coming into the game a year after release. Just because I'm not getting an upgrade every run through doesn't mean I don't want to do them a bunch!

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

Who runs dungeons anymore when you can get faster myth/sol from hunts? IMO they should just remove myth/sol rewards from hunts completely.

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Plenty of people ran Halatali Hard and Lost City of Amdapor instead of Brayflox Hard even when Brayflox was the most efficient myth.
Is it that difficult to understand that not everyone is interested in only doing what's most efficient?
Especially when "most efficient" results in tons of drama, stress and other stuff that is negative to the player...

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

This is an assumption and a poor one at that.

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So what was the reason that SE raised the Allagan weapons to ilvl95? Its pretty simple on this one that they did it to create incentive to beat Coils. Raids as difficult as Coils should always drop the best gear. Idea of upgrading Gerolt gear was nice in a sense that you still had to overcome difficult content to obtain a Sands. I am also okay with obtaining Sands by means outside raids, but the Hunt system was the worst way to do it. Everyone and their mothers are now getting Sands, which have now reduced the value of ilvl110 gear. This shouldn't be a thing till 2.4 at least.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

On the other hand, I'm sure many people like me who simply refused to do Twintania because the weapons it dropped were either equal or straight up inferior to relic +1. Not to mention the amount of BiS pieces from Twin was less than you had party members (I think it was 5 pieces total). So when they buffed it, invigorated our desire to actually fight and win.

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So you value a number on your character sheet more than the experience you have. That's fine, but also doesn't explain why somebody else's number matters so much to you. I stand by my previous comment. Comparing numbers on character sheets to determine worth does not sound like fun to me

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Originally Posted by Velhart

So what was the reason that SE raised the Allagan weapons to ilvl95? Its pretty simple on this one that they did it to create incentive to beat Coils. Raids as difficult as Coils should always drop the best gear. Idea of upgrading Gerolt gear was nice in a sense that you still had to overcome difficult content to obtain a Sands. I am also okay with obtaining Sands by means outside raids, but the Hunt system was the worst way to do it. Everyone and their mothers are now getting Sands, which have now reduced the value of ilvl110 gear. This shouldn't be a thing till 2.4 at least.

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I didn't say this wasn't the reason, I said that it was an assumption. In this case one made by the development team. Where is their source? The fact that people were not running coil has no indication of WHY they weren't running coil. They guessed, plain and simple. They believed the reward to be the reason, so they changed it based on that assumption. I'd love to see how many MORE people began doing coil merely because a new i95 weapon was put in there. Ones that weren't doing coil prior to that, and did so ONLY because of the new weapon. I bet that number is insignificant.

Don't get me wrong, I think they botched the implementation of hunts, but not because people can get upgrades there. I don't care where people get upgrades, chasing numbers is not why I play games.