The number of bad players are rising!

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

Ah yes, segregating the community is definitely the answer. After all, why should you, the Golden God-Kings of Eorzea be forced into contact with the disgusting unwashed casual masses? What benefit could possibly be derived from such a loathsome scenario?

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XD But the both option means that Casuals and Hardcore players will still meet, but inexperienced casuals will never (in theory) meet a hardcore player who's not happy to slow it down for them.

I have some faith that the 'Both' option would be what most experienced players use (as it means less queue time and they get more variance / freshness from run to run), meaning they may get grouped in a hardcore run or in a casual run. Casual players will never be segregated from hardcore players as some hardcore players may select 'Both'. Hardcore players who want to be segregated from casuals can uncheck 'Casual' - why not let them?

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Originally Posted by Doo

Not really, I learn on my own most of the time. I either make practice parties or do it with friends so we help each other out. I don't go into Twintania or fights that I don't belong in and expect everyone to take their time to teach me. That's a pretty selfish thing to do.

"I help, but I don't carry"




In this case it would be the teacher getting paid the same as the student.



So if I complain about crime but don't go out and put on a Bat suit to fight it, am I contributing to the problem?

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Bad analogy there. More appropriate would be, you witness a crime in progress but don't call the police. That is contributing to the problem.

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Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore

XD But the both option means that Casuals and Hardcore players will still meet, but inexperienced casuals will never (in theory) meet a hardcore player who's not happy to slow it down for them.

I have some faith that the 'Both' option would be what most experienced players use (as it means less queue time and they get more variance / freshness from run to run), meaning they may get grouped in a hardcore run or in a casual run. Casual players will never be segregated from hardcore players as some hardcore players may select 'Both'. Hardcore players who want to be segregated from casuals can uncheck 'Casual' - why not let them?

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Pre-made groups are a thing and they tend to work pretty well. If you are unwilling to use them, you need to expect that you'll have to experience the unremitting horror of casual play.

Consiering the reasons for playing and the objectives for casual players are completely different from hardcore players, segregating them will actually make both sides happier. Toxic experiences happen often BECAUSE people from different groups clash.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Bad analogy there. More appropriate would be, you witness a crime in progress but don't call the police. That is contributing to the problem.

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That's like saying if I witness RMT but don't report them, then I am contributing to the problem. Just because you don't do anything about it, doesn't mean you're contributing to it. I am neither responsible nor helping the cause.

P.S I hope you don't blame world hunger on me for not giving money to the homeless.

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Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore

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Right, I understand that, but trying to do your best and having fun are not mutually exclusive. To me, squeezing the most I can out of my class IS fun, and learning how to handle fights and my classes better is what I enjoy the most out of this game.

As for the "I can't expect everyone to have the same mindset I do" argument, yes, you have a perfect point, and I understand that. The problem with that is that later endgames fights REQUIRE you to know your class well. There are some people who cannot play like others due to a myriad of reasons, but if you're trying your best, then that's good. My main gripe is with players who don't perform better out of sheer laziness, and those are the players I'm not exactly tolerant with.

Again, I understand that everyone wants to see content, but when it comes to fights that require previous easier fights to be cleared, then I really do not know what someone is expecting when they queue for a EX Primal when they cannot beat the HM counterpart.

When it comes to DF, I will not be rude to anyone because I think that signing up to be paired with any type of player in the game takes away your right to be picky. What I can do is give constructive criticism as to why something is happening, and 7 times out of 10, I either get ignored, or rudely talked back to. After that, we beat the fight with a 30-50% Echo and everyone pats themselves on the back. In the end, lazy habits go on being reinforced because the game gives you bigger training wheels every time you fail.

You're a rage quitter? Screw off then. You're an equally bad plague as terrible players. At least with them there's a possibility they'll get better. Your elitism, however, will not. It's a game. Don't get pissed that not everyone dedicates their lives to being the best in the game.

How rude. I see nothing about ragequitting in his post.

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Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore

The idea would be:

Set Hardcore only if you're on a repeat run / speedrun for loot or tomes, and want to avoid noobs / delays.

Set Casual only if you're on the first run or still getting the hang of tactics. Or if you just prefer not to speedrun and love to help people.

Set Both if you're experienced enough that you can keep up with the best of them, but you're OK to slow down and help others out.

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The whole point of duty finder is for experienced player to help the noobs. This kind of self classification would only make sense if duty roulette daily rewards were handed out as such.
Casual get 100% reward
Both gets 40% reward
Hardcore gets 0% reward (after these are hardcore players playing for the fun of it)

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Originally Posted by Doo

That's like saying if I witness RMT but don't report them, then I am contributing to the problem. Just because you don't do anything about it, doesn't mean you're contributing to it. I am neither responsible nor helping the cause.

P.S I hope you don't blame world hunger on me for not giving money to the homeless.

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By deliberating pretending to be blind to RMT, you are NOT contributing to solve the problem. At the very least you can flip a coin to decide you should to report them.

And no one would be blaming you for world hunger, when giving money to the homeless doesn't even begin to solve or relate to world hunger.

But if you elitist 1% think that that the rest of the world can rot while you live high on the hog as if that is your divine right, just remember whose head rolled when she said to "let them eat cake".

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Originally Posted by ispano

The only real problem with this is that it's almost always one sided. Almost always. The skilled players have to slow down to the level of those who don't take the game as seriously. But if those same people are asked to pick it up just a little, rage ensues. Double standard if you will. "You have to come down to our level, but we won't budge at all for the sake of the group."

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This is such the attitude of elitist. You see a person pinned in a car after an accident, whether you are a good samaritan or a first responder, would you ask them to push harder at the door or whatever to meet you half-way to help get them out?

Seriously, where do you 1% elitist get off thinking no one else want to try to their best? Or improve. Stop making that BS assumption.

BTW there is no double standard. How do you ask someone how has never had algebra to meet you half-way to solve math problem/puzzle/brain-teaser that requires some understanding of differential equations?

Additionally asking them to raise their game, should NOT involving watching videos so it has spoilers, or asking them to skip cutscenes, which would ruin their experience. People get that new fresh experience only once. Also they should NOT have to learn how speed run, since this is not the intent of the game.

Or how do you ask a newbie golfer to drive that ball another 20 yards further to meet you half-way so he isn't slowing the play thru on the course.

The answer is they can not. They need learning and practice to get there, and in this game they will get it in the duty finder. And it is NOT because they are not trying. Stop with that BS assumption.

You who has more skill, experience, gear, capability have the capacity to accommodate them, but they try as they might will not be able to change things that are mathematically impossible.