Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

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Originally Posted by dezzing

quit ur whining bullshit. everyone knows bard is far superior to the other classes. Give me an abilities can that be cross-classed that has the same ulitlies are bard songs? yes, bard is top tier dps, even in coil; they're still top 3. Yea, healer can just run and instant heal, right?

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You don't have a clue, lol.

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Originally Posted by Klutz64

They could always just fold the Bard's DPS role into its Support role by giving them a party-wide damage buff.

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omg a reasonable and sensible post!

you win the internet

What I've been arguing for the whole time is that none of the BRDs would probably care if we got a dps nerf if they turned foe req into a "Useful and Viable" Full party dmg buff that benfited all dps classes and tanks. Making us support is fine, but give us something worthwhile to spend our MP on for fights where MP and TP aren't issues.

Give me a Song LB that increases Dmg and haste. Make us the support class we are meant to be.

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Originally Posted by Whiz

cool story guys...try using the the enemity reducing cd. Also the tanks that you ripped so much hate from all the time must have just sucked. I have a 50 brd with relic that great dps and I never saw a geared tank that's knows what their doing loose hate to a brd unless its at the beginning of a fight and they just blow all their cd's and get raped.

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Whiz happens all the time remember I'm working to end game. I'm not level 50. So gaining hate happens. And enemity reduction does not always work that well. If I was lvl 50 doing binding coil and that was my only concern then great, but working to end game this is a reality.

Bards aren't that great.

They certainly aren't top theoretical dps.

However they were unimpacted by movement.

Melee was severely impacted by movement.

They are buffing melee movement (utility, not damage), and they are nerfing bards in some way.

Because it seems like restricting their movement is a stupid idea, likely it is just a small nerf in the area of 5-10%.

To give you an idea of how little this nerf will actually mean for you, a 10% nerf to 1 dps (assuming tanks do 25% of a dps's damage, and healers do 0%), you lower the raid's damage by 2.3% total.

Now this means that a 10 minute fight, it will take 13 seconds longer.

You'll live.

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Originally Posted by Chrissie

Ill enjoy playing my BRD nerfs or no nerfs. SE just need to make their mind up what role we are gonna be actually playing. Replacing CNJ with MNK for our second class, keeping the healer limit break......just sound to me like they haven't got a clue how to solve it. Maybe now all the scrubs that have complained so much (yet are all secretly levelling BRD's) can be happy now.

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I don't think you know what the word scrub means.

Every class has some utility aspects. SMN can instant-rez in combat, BLM has good CC -- just to name a couple.
Most Bard songs come with a BIG dps sacrifice, and the one that doesnt is a debuff, akin to Virus or Disembowel.
In THIS game, Bards are a DPS class. There are no pure Support classes in FFXIV.

My point is Bard dps is fine. If they want to make them sacrifice a little more when they move, thats a different matter.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Bards aren't that great.

They certainly aren't top theoretical dps.

However they were unimpacted by movement.

Melee was severely impacted by movement.

They are buffing melee movement (utility, not damage), and they are nerfing bards in some way.

Because it seems like restricting their movement is a stupid idea, likely it is just a small nerf in the area of 5-10%.

To give you an idea of how little this nerf will actually mean for you, a 10% nerf to 1 dps (assuming tanks do 25% of a dps's damage, and healers do 0%), you lower the raid's damage by 2.3% total.

Now this means that a 10 minute fight, it will take 13 seconds longer.

You'll live.

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This is what's even funnier. Bards nerfed and melee buffed means the gap is going to be hilarious, and no one realizes it.
I also don't get why people harp on Bard silence. It is bad design that SE made it the only viable end-game interrupt. Blame them, not the class. I *highly* doubt these people whining about it even want to take on that burden.

Bards are just good / easy for the utility they bring.

Easy fix. Make Bard as it is now, Ranger, minus the songs. Reinstate Bard from 1.0 with associated tweeks to song cast times, versatility(take away the damage reduction, make Foe Requiem applicable to all party members), etc.