Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by ArchlordPie

IDK how you haven't recognized this yet, but it's almost 2025 and it hasn't been possible to criticize a trans person or their actions in good faith for a while now. Everything that VA says and does is fully acceptable and above reproach, solely because they are trans. Criticizing them, their speech, or the quality of their work makes you a bigot by default, no matter how warranted said criticism would be if this person were not trans. Do better.

(just so we're clear, this post is sarcasm)

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I keep asking all of Sena's defenders for proof of said death threats. Always crickets. Always.

My favorite thing about Wuk Lamat is that shes making people retroactively appreciate Lyse.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

I keep asking all of Sena's defenders for proof of said death threats. Always crickets. Always.

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The point of internet death threats isn't if they're real or not.

But they're super easy to invent out of thin air.
And then people you can expect to react to poor you with sympathy will shower you good vibes, and performative scorn towards the mean faceless threat maker.
It's good exchange, actually: take internet crap flinging seriously => receive endorsement and support. Alternatively: lie about receiving interwebs hate => receive endorsement and support.

This is not reflection on miss Bryer. She might be in real danger from serious internet hitmen, or then she is not.
I... couldn't care less, actually.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

There are always two sides to the coin. The fact is that Sena has incited hatred against other people on X (Twitter) and not just once, but several times, and has even demanded that people lose their jobs because they are not trans. She claimed to have received death threats after a player on X wrote "Your voice is not good and Wuk Lamat is not good either" under one of her posts. Yoshi P. should have fired Sena for these transgressions on X, because in any other job this is exactly what would have happened. Instead, SE is now trying to sweep everything under the carpet, as if nothing had happened.

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I don't doubt the death threats because I know that it's very easy nowadays to receive them online. I once got told by a random person on Twitter to kill myself for something relatively minor. I would be surprised if a trans actress who voices a divisive character didn't receive worse.

Also, if by "demanded that people lose their jobs because they are not trans," you're referring to her saying she thinks trans characters should be voiced by trans actors, that's not her demanding that every cis actor currently voicing a trans character be fired, that's just voicing an opinion about casting practices.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

There are always two sides to the coin. The fact is that Sena has incited hatred against other people on X (Twitter) and not just once, but several times, and has even demanded that people lose their jobs because they are not trans. She claimed to have received death threats after a player on X wrote "Your voice is not good and Wuk Lamat is not good either" under one of her posts. Yoshi P. should have fired Sena for these transgressions on X, because in any other job this is exactly what would have happened. Instead, SE is now trying to sweep everything under the carpet, as if nothing had happened.

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Love how cancel culture suddenly is alright for your people

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Love how cancel culture suddenly is alright for your people

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Oh come on. 'Your people', really? Are we suddenly divided in two kinds of people?

I'm a defender of equality. That means same treatment for everyone. If you behave like a bad person, you deserve to get called out for it.
Belonging to any kind of minority is not a shield that defends you of criticism if you f up. That goes for Sena aswell as for everybody. She called a bunch of people racists over a mere song and was very misogynistic in her tweets. People have a right to not like her. Even if you think she is allowed to do everything because of her 'status'.

Also, it's really tiring the topic always goes back to her. I wish we could just finally ignore this annoying person. That's the treatment she deserves.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Also, it's really tiring the topic always goes back to her. I wish we could just finally ignore this annoying person. That's the treatment she deserves.

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You know that will never happen, since Sena Bryer lives rent free in some peoples head and they need someone to hate for whatever reason.

By the way, where was it confirmed that Kate and Sena were friends prior to DT? I've seen this mentioned once or twice but when I google it all I get is a post or two on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Love how cancel culture suddenly is alright for your people

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You could've just said Bigot/Transphobe/Misogynist, but instead chose "your people" like you low-key want to say a slur to who you were quoting. I'm going to assume it's a typo and you actually wanted to say "you people", which changes nothing really because again you could've just said Bigot/Transphobe/Misogynist if you're going to try and subtly imply someone is one of those things anyway.

To the main point. To bring up what someone said earlier-

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Originally Posted by Aniise

...If you behave like a bad person, you deserve to get called out for it. Belonging to any kind of minority is not a shield that defends you of criticism if you f up...

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Like Aniise said, Sena being trans doesn't mean she suddenly gets a free pass. For example: Sena DID say in a tweet that she PERSONALLY saw Smile as a "Black Gospel" song back during Dawntrail's launch, and implied that only people in a certain group [aka racists] would dislike the song, and only made it worse by gaslighting everyone who called her out on it after it.

I hate Smile. Personally feel it doesn't fit FF14's "theme". It's used at absolutely baffling times, like building a fucking train bomb. And Akeno sounded like she really had to force herself to hit the required pitches that were expected along with the tempo being all over the place. I have given my own personal opinions on why I didn't like the song. But I guess the ACTUAL reason I hate Smile MUST be because I hate black people. That's the only reason I could've possibly disliked this song. Even though it's now known that Ishikawa commissioned Smile to sound like it was from a Musical, which throws the "Black Gospel" stuff into the trash, it still doesn't change that Sena's tweet happened along with what it was trying to push.

People can scream "CANCEL CULTURE" all they want. I don't like it myself because people are sometimes cancelled for the dumbest shit, but there have been genuine criticisms to things Sena has said on Twitter, along with genuine criticisms to her performance back during launch. Being Trans doesn't suddenly mean Sena becomes immune to any backlash she might receive as a result of things she might say/do. To me it feels pretty scummy to try and use whole groups of people as shields and go "Well you only have an issue with my tweets/my performance because you MUST be a bigot/transphobe/misogynist/racist" and then just expect people to defend you. Like with the Smile tweet: some could've seen it as Sena trying to use Black people as a "shield" to defend her "take" because she specifically mentioned Black Gospel along with saying people who didn't like it might just be racist, neither of which needed to be mentioned in the first place.

Unfortunately we just currently live in a time on the internet where gaslighting, buzzwords, and deflecting is easier to do then actually attempting to have a conversation.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Love how cancel culture suddenly is alright for your people

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It's not cancel culture to want someone to face consequences for directly vilifying the playerbase of the game they work for out of nowhere and attacking them verbally. (and also doing poor voice work.) People are not asking for Sena to be sacked for completely unrelated tweets or anything like that, Sena is disrespecting the playerbase and delivering a bad product.

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Originally Posted by Jangles

It's not cancel culture to want someone to face consequences for directly vilifying the playerbase of the game they work for out of nowhere and attacking them verbally. (and also doing poor voice work.) People are not asking for Sena to be sacked for completely unrelated tweets or anything like that, Sena is disrespecting the playerbase and delivering a bad product.

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Accusing her of vilifying the playerbase of the game she works for "out of nowhere" is pretty ironic considering she's the one who was vilified first.