[Data Center USA] Ping increased. Report your changes here.

Yes I'm looking something like VPN I'm completely oblivious as to how it works or what does it do.im wired too.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Thanks to the server move to improve stability and traffic to the game, has created mixed opinions.

People has seen their latency reduce , some have seen their latency increase. (As you probably expected and tested to begin with)I think the most affected ones were EU players. When chaos data was transferred​ to EU side you were given NA players the option to transfer out for free to a NA server for free due to the fact they were gonna be the ones who were gonna suffer the most in latency being moved further away to benefit others (EU players) now the issue arrising is the other way round.

Could we , us EU players get given the chance to a transfer to a EU server for free with no gil or any kind of restrictions at all?

Someone of us would like to get ready for stormblood before rather than no after.

Thanks

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Nope.
Limitations™

The only people with a legit right to complain are those from South America and other similar regions that are getting 300+ ms latency due to them allegedly being routed through Europe. THOSE numbers are what needs some working on by SE.

Those getting just a wee smidgen above 100ms? You guys seriously need to get in the shoes of the rest of us who play on the other side of the Pacific for a little perspective, and perhaps learn how we deal with our "literally unplayable latency."

Clearly. I must be halucinating. My ping must actually be 0, I imagined the 2 and 0 before it, silly me.

^agree, those with 300ms latency (especially with screenshot posted) are legit and have right to be mad and complain, and i support you guys because 300ms is indeed and rightfully unplayable

For those with 1st world problems saying 100ms is unplayable, you only have 2 choice, get used to it or quit. Dont expect people to pat your shoulder and support you, at best people will told you to "git gud"

100ms is literally godsend for the norm here, we play with average 150-200ms and we still fully 100% enjoying the game, in fact we never thought about the lag at all, so saying you have 100ms and cry about it is pretty dumb

i also see many threads popping out and start badmouthing yoshi and the game..... Then they fully expect people to be on their side.

All i can say is "You sir has no problem, you just create your own just because."

/facepalms
100ms unplayable? Disagree and liar. 100ms is normal playable.
You are just inexperienced player for ping.
I was 90+ms, this is no problems with my BLM or other cast class since played for 3 years.
Get a better ISP or stop complains yourself.

(now 40-50ms for me. I know where server hardware is.)

Hello everyone. So I've been seeing a lot of discontent among players regarding ping and the server change. While I feel for those who are having sever issues I'm not entirely sure its due to what you think it is.

I live in Missouri so I'm slightly east but mostly central. I've personally not experienced any change in performance due to the change. However that may be because I'm used to "sub par" performance. In the past I've only had issues on the weekend when my neighbors actually use the single internet line we have in the neighborhood.


In short I tested my ping and it runs from 97-130 (while running Discord, and Chrome with youtube on) with a single spike to 270 with no change. So maybe the problem isn't your internet but your connection to it. I use an Ethernet cable to connect to my modem it cost me less than 20 bucks and it fixed similar issues I had been having with overwatch and dark souls back when I was using wireless.

I'm not an expert but maybe you guys should do some research about your own gear before you cry fowl. And even then the servers have just been set up. it may take some tweaking before things become optimal again. so please be patient

Maybe you missed it, but people didn't change their PC-setups, the datacenter changed. So that's why.

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Originally Posted by XSamsaraLotusX

Thing is people have 100-200 ping thinking its ok for some reason. Most if not all of them are the bad players thst never do anything but dungons.

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Gosh. I guess I better tell my friends how terrible of an Australian player I am... I hope they can take the news well.

Because some people are too hardcore about it

Increase ping mean their performace will go down and that mean they are not in the high end 1% player group anymore (you know, those people who yell at you because your dps is 3% lower than standard, or get angry because the dungeon end 5 seconds late than usual)

Thing is, this ping discussion is divided into 2 category:

1. The one who got huge increase from 90s to 300s, this one legit and i feel sorry for them because not just their perfomance will drop by huge margin, its pretty much almost unplayable.

2. The one who only got miniscule increase from 50s to 100s then cry about it because its "unplayable" for them. All i can say is, get used to it or go ahead quit, no one will miss you.

Tbh I never seen anything like this on a non-dying game. Imho, they should have added a west data-center, and not remove the east one. If a billion dollar company won't do it, who will...

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Originally Posted by gumas

Because some people are too hardcore about it

Increase ping mean their performace will go down and that mean they are not in the high end 1% player group anymore (you know, those people who yell at you because your dps is 3% lower than standard, or get angry because the dungeon end 5 seconds late than usual)

Thing is, this ping discussion is divided into 2 category:

1. The one who got huge increase from 90s to 300s, this one legit and i feel sorry for them because not just their perfomance will drop by huge margin, its pretty much almost unplayable.

2. The one who only got miniscule increase from 50s to 100s then cry about it because its "unplayable" for them. All i can say is, get used to it or go ahead quit, no one will miss you.

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You got old customers, loyals.

People who have been around years before you even registered... people who played perfectly fine over there, together; the people who actually gave you this game (by supporting 1.0 no matter what).

Fast forward a few years, and then someone random like you posts this.

It is a sad world indeed.

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Originally Posted by Aronys

I love how the west coast players immediately try to make fun of people who are legit having issues. The entitlement is real.

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I live in michigan and have 0 issues right now. my ping went up about 30 ms but i suffer 0 packet loss compared to when I was going through lvl3.

Before this move, everytime I would browse the internet while playing I would get a 90k, now I can without issue. Its a breath of fresh air but lets face it, no matter where they would have put the servers, people would still have issues and be complaining just like they are now.

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Originally Posted by eschaton

Tbh I never seen anything like this on a non-dying game. Imho, they should have added a west data-center, and not remove the east one. If a billion dollar company won't do it, who will...

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Then they would have to determine which ones go to which coast in which group. Primal West Aether East? And then hit the fall out from even that. No one is ever happy.

Yes, give everyone their own private server in their basement!

I am sympathetic to my fellow players from regions such as EU/SA/Oceania/etc who are getting 250ms+ due to this recent server move. If there is something that I can help, I will gladly do it.

I urge everyone to give the system a few days to settle, before jumping to conclusions.

To NA players who are getting "unsatisfactory" ms values, call your ISP can give them lots of salt.

Especially to the ones claiming 100ms is "unplayable"(extreme hardcore savage raiders notwithstanding), I don't give a flying duck about your "problem", try to "git gud" instead.

Cheers,
D.

Here's the thing, going from a 50ms ping to 100ms is unnoticable, going to 150ms may become noticable for a very small percentage of the population with truly excellent reflexes and hand eye coordination. I know 50 to 100 sounds huge because of the number size, so lets put it a different way, its the difference between .05 and .1 seconds; Less than a tenth of a second difference...just think about that for a second, think about how small a time frame we're talking about. All these people saying the game is unplayable at 100ms and that they can tell the difference are complaining over their imagination. I know with certainty that if SE took everyone on these forums and put them in a double blind test to see who could identify how fast a ping was nobody would be able to.

Here's some more numbers that might put things in perspective. Movies run at 24 frames per second usually, 1 frame is around 40 ms. The reason they don't do faster is because the human brain doesn't distinguish the difference between 24 frames per second and 50 frames per second. Even if you drop a frame out here or there, the brain automatically compensates to create a smooth image, unless you drop a lot of frames at once, you'll never know it.

As far as visually recognizing and reacting to aoes and such, going from 50 to 100ms ping is the equivalent of dropping 1 or two frames out of a video.

If you're one of the few that saw your pings go to 300ms+ from 100ms or less, then I feel for you. That can't be fun trying to play that way.

The data center change in no way detracted from my personal gameplay experience and I have absolutely no stake in this situation. I don't see why there's a problem.

/sarcasm

If i got it right, most people from the Oceania area got it now better of. And yet their ping dropping from 200+ to 150 range is seen privilege and east coasters raising from 40 too 90+ is end of the world?

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Originally Posted by Sida

If i got it right, most people from the Oceania area got it now better of. And yet their ping dropping from 200+ to 150 range is seen privilege and east coasters raising from 40 too 90+ is end of the world?

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that is basically it in a nutshell lol I'm laughing all the way from the east coast here. This new generation of try hards are trying soo hard that they are leaving all remnants of logic behind lol

They must have some really good reasons on placing the servers there. Wonder what was the reasoning behind this decision. Economics? Convenience? Some special deal with NTT? Something else? All together? I doubt they chose that place only screw their users.

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Originally Posted by XSamsaraLotusX

Thing is people have 100-200 ping thinking its ok for some reason. Most if not all of them are the bad players thst never do anything but dungons.

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No, there are possibly many players better than you that have 100-200ping. Ping doesn't make the player, skill does. Now stop acting all entitled, all Aussies have had to put up with 150ms++ ping for years now with no complaint. It is NORMAL to us lol and we clear content just fine.

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Originally Posted by Len

Are you even from North America?

If not, your voice on where servers designated from a region you\\'re not even a part of counts for nothing. Be thankful that you have the privilege to even play on them.

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I sincerely hope your reply was meant as a joke.

Cheers,
D.

I could even entertain a theory someone posted otherwhere, though it might end up being just a fancy. First of, they needed new servers and they needed them now, since some of the planned features for SB couldn't have been realised in the old servers. They chose NTT because they have done business with them in Japan. And NTT is having a new datacenter in Texas but possibly that was not ready to make the transfer at this point yet, but the transfer had to be made. By this theory they willmove again, in the Texas location when it is ready, a move that might be easier when moving inside NTT infrastructure. But then again, that's just a theory.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

Then they would have to determine which ones go to which coast in which group. Primal West Aether East? And then hit the fall out from even that. No one is ever happy.

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Not to mention have to set up a new east coast center - just leaving the old one would not have worked as it was the data center itself that was the issue with the previous one being an impediment to things like inventory expansion and non-split cities.

Please remember that FFXIV is officially sold in Brazil and maybe in other countries in South America and the decent latency we used to have is gone. After the change I have to deal with a 300ms latency and my FC colleagues are reporting 270-350ms. We don't have anywhere else to go other than quit the game.

The best case scenario is that SE creates east cost servers, since the company that is hosting their data has data centers on both west and east regions. They solved the problem for a group of players which I'm happy for, but at the cost of another group.

You got me wrong here.
They are bad becouse they have this ping.they never be as good as some onevon 20-100.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

https://i.gyazo.com/fc87e1e8472dffbb...53fef41db8.png

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...me-too-slow%29

This change did nothing but make it harder to ogcd rotations for people. All this lag still exists and I quote another friend:

In short the game is simply worse with the move for more people then it helped.

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Wow the entitlement is real. Oceania have had to deal with 150ms ++ ping for years dude. Get with the times and shove that privilege elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by XSamsaraLotusX

You got me wrong here.
They are bad becouse they have this ping.they never be as good as some onevon 20-100.

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I also challenge that quote, check FFLOGs, Oceania is still very competitive despite the ping lol.

Stop being entitled for a game you pay monthly for and accept this pants on head retard decision.

Hi, I support this option for european players, but remember as well that south american players don't even have this option and we now have 300ms latency. The game is officially sold in Brazil.

The problem isn't really the ping, it's the net-code of FFXIV that waits for a server permission before allowing you to use an ability, adding a harmful ping-tax to those with high pings, anyone with a ping below ~250ms could have the same responsiveness that someone with a ping of 10ms if SE was willing to make modifications to their net-code.

It's possible to have no DPS loss, a fully responsive game, etc. with high pings, but it requires modifications in the game. Instead of complaining about the new location of the Datacenter, it's more wise I think, to push SE to make adjustments into the game, so that locations doesn't matter in the end, as long as you have a ping below 250ms.
There a new topic about how net-code could fix the ping issue, I encourage you to go there and testify about how the game feels now unresponsive, how you lost DPS, etc. :

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...es-Irrelevant!

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

Hmm, my suspicion was that this was the case. You may be interested in reading this tumblr post, which is about a certain thing that was made to counteract this problem of server validation and ping tax, but for a different MMO.

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I spent an hour to read it entirely, thank a lot YitharV2 for the link, this was very instructive, and it confirms everything I was suspecting about how FFXIV net-code is behaving. And it shows that indeed it's possible to get a smooth responsive game and no DPS loss with high pings by changing how the net-code works. The workaround discussed in that link, is smart, and could be avoided if devs were willing to make some changes.

but....but....people were ok when i had 20% packet loss, why are they mad now that i have 0% packet loss? did...did i do something? O=

you get a like for asking for it in a reasonable manner! =D Do hope they figure out something for SA players though, imo those are the ones affected the most cuz of the overall baseline routing for those countries.(since their routing isn't above grounds its across the sea to the east coast)

i was upset too that EU players on NA servers didn't get a free transfer, and i am not even playing on an NA server xD

however, i guess they don't bring free transfers now, because they want to offer free transfers to lesser populated worlds with 4.0 and even open some new worlds in the EU data center:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2360440abe9651

so there will be free transfers... soon...

bringing free transfers now would be counter-productive against their plan to lead people to lesser populated worlds in 4.0. so not the best deal if you want to play on a high populated world, but at least it's free. they even want to refund your house (only if you own one, of course), and you can bring way more Gil with you than before (but still not enough i guess).

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Originally Posted by gumas

[...] you only have 2 choice, get used to it or quit. [...]

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Or more wisely and constructive, ask for a better net-code that could solve DPS problems with high pings:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...es-Irrelevant!

The privilege to play more than 4 jobs. All the aussies I know only play tanks and drg because they're the only jobs they can play.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

then you guys should continue showing SE how bad was their decision until they do something!

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I've wondered if its less of not wanting to do something instead of just flat out can't do anything. SE needed to pick a location where they were able to expand servers as needed. SE is also really super small here in terms of online gaming with FFXI and FFXIV as their only real online games. I've wondered if they couldn't pick a central location due to the prime central areas already long bought by companies like Blizzard, NCSoft and others with more of an extensive catalogue of popular online games. No doubt with thoughts of expanding server banks due to current and future release games in their minds.

No they didn't. I live on the east coast and my ping is fine. Most likely your ISP is to blame.

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Originally Posted by Len

Are you even from North America?

If not, your voice on where servers designated from a region you're not even a part of counts for nothing. Be thankful that you have the privilege to even play on them.

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Originally Posted by dlgc

I sincerely hope your reply was meant as a joke.

Cheers,
D.

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I bet Len is a Trump fanboy... "america ONLY, america ONLY"... And he seems to forget that a lot of american ppl work and live abroad. What about them? Lost their "privilege" to play on NA servers too?