YOSHI FIX THE DANG GIL ISSUE THAT IS KILLING OUR PLAYERS!!!

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Envoyé par mmcsky

Jokes aside I do believe the gil sinks need to be tuned down, glad SE is working on that , I personally think market tax sucks! If no one is getting a benefit from market tax why in hells is there?

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The planned benefit is that it should help to spread evenly the retainers.
If in a city are less retainers registered, the tax sink in this city. You can inform yourself about the actual taxes and re-register your retainer to another city by the NPC near the retainer bell in the market district.

I make around 100k gils everyday (225k gils best day) just by sitting in front of the AH.

faster, cheaper, easier than farming leves for peanuts.

You guys keep farming for a bit, i'll take the rest.

And Thank you of course for feeding me.

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Envoyé par Nils1986

I make around 100k gils everyday (225k gils best day) just by sitting in front of the AH.

faster, cheaper, easier than farming leves for peanuts.

You guys keep farming for a bit, i'll take the rest.

And Thank you of course for feeding me.

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You make nothing, you take money from other.

Boring 90 % of the guys who don't understand, me too i get money, me too i sell lot of thing, did this money was created by me ? Or been give to me by other player ?

Humanoid lvl 50 monster give like 1 - 4 gils, this is a bug or something, i can't trust that work like intented...

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Envoyé par Harmonium

You make nothing, you take money from other.

Boring 90 % of the guys who don't understand, me too i get money, me too i sell lot of thing, did this money was created by me ? Or been give to me by other player ?

Humanoid lvl 50 monster give like 1 - 4 gils, this is a bug or something, i can't trust that work like intented...

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He has a point though, if making money is a worry, there is hardly a problem if you apply yourself.

Is just that we all like to play do gooders and jump on the nerf wagon when we are really looking to our own benefit in the long run.

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Envoyé par Harmonium

You make nothing, you take money from other.

Boring 90 % of the guys who don't understand, me too i get money, me too i sell lot of thing, did this money was created by me ? Or been give to me by other player ?

Humanoid lvl 50 monster give like 1 - 4 gils, this is a bug or something, i can't trust that work like intented...

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Or perhaps they do understand, I noticed right away that there were mad gilsinks in the game and that prices were never going to be as high as they were with the recent influx of new player gil. I've amassed a small fortune by focusing on crafting and gathering from the outset why everyone else spammed new dungeons/etc. Now they have no gil to keep up repairs while I have enough gil to set me over for the remainder of the year. The people who saw the signs early on should have focused on grabbing the remaining gil while they could instead of just crying for dailies/cheaper repairs/etc.

Those things would come eventually but that boost of gil from all the newbies will not come again. I don't feel the least bit sorry, I am however glad that SE is addressing the issue but I wonder will those that ran themselves into the red come out again?

Yes Wobi that what i said, you have make fortune by taking money of the story quest from other player (by sell thing etc).

But now they are stuck, because they can't create any money you see.

Me i have no problem too, but sometime maybe my money will down day after day.

But people who only focus the story quest, and they buy the weapon (for legendary) and two materias and now they are gone with money.

They are realy owned and stuck, i think this is the main problem.

They must be a way to CREATE money in the game.

Except leves craft (that why i do) but any other way, like farm mob who loot some gils etc.

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Envoyé par Myrdyn_Wyldt

I did a bit of number crunching - Let me say up front that I am not a level 50 anything, but using the standard level allowance of 6 leves per day, at lvl 20 I turn out 7416g in new gil in roughly three hours with nothing but armorsmith 20 and miner 20 by creating 18 Ironclad Bronze Bucklers and turning them in for levequest rewards. The Opportunity cost of selling the materials to a vendor (remember - we are only looking at new gil creation) is 54g, and if I managed to completely break both my crafting set and gathering set in the process (I won't) I would spend 1820G repairing it (though this does require a small investment in other crafting skills - LTW, WVR, and BSM).

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This is a net new gil gain of (very conservatively) 1865.333(repeating) gil per hour

I have yet to get to end game, but I really can't see it actually being lower at lvl 50. Basically, what I'm saying is: Find a gil teat and hook up to it. End-game raiding should never be a money making prospect. I expect to have to farm for one hour (at least) for every hour spent raiding. In WoW it was for materials for potions/flasks/etc. In FFXIV it's for repairs. If your repair bills are sky-high, and you are not getting the gear you expect for the amount of effort you are putting in, I might suggest dying less.

Of course you can maintain that "crafting isn't fun," or whatever, but if you are saying that the economy is broken, I would suggest that perhaps it isn't that there is not enough gil coming into the economy as a whole, but that you simply haven't found a way to make new gil that you find enjoyable. These are two very different things.

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Alright so I was wondering about this myself so I used the time I had before the server reboot to get an idea of this.

Firstly, you can turn in HQ versions for 3x the payout, for me that was 1200 gil. With the 3 item leves, you can turn them in an additional 2 times for a single leve charge, so thats 3600 gil a leve.

So if we turn in 9 HQ shields 6 times, that's 21600 gil brought into the economy, which is actually pretty good. This is probably the best way in the game to create new gil. So lets look at what that takes:

54 HQ ironclads:
648 ice shards
108 earth shards
324 iron ore
432 copper ore
216 tin ore

Ok firstly we'll buy the copper and tin ore as those are 2 gil a piece on the vendor. You don't need HQ ore to make HQ shields at higher levels, so there's no need to farm ore. so that's ~ 1300 gil off our profit leaving a profit of ~20k gil (since prices are variable on turn in)

So we need to farm 648 + 108 + 324 = ~1100 mats

Mats take about 10 minutes for 100 to farm, so we're at 110 minutes so far. Lets round that up to 2 hours. Lets add 30 minutes travel time since we're trying to make money so we don't want to use teleports. So we're at 2.5 hours for the mats.

Now lets consider combine time:
54 iron clad shields
54 bronze bucklers
108 iron rivets
54 bronze plates
216 bronze ingots
108 iron ingots

With the ingots, we can squeak by at my level (40) and do quick synths as we don't need HQ ingots. We will need HQ everything else though. So lets consider those 300ish quick synths, I think it'll take 30 minutes or so?

So we're up to 3 hours.

So that leaves us with ~ 250 HQ combines, which we're going to watch to ensure HQ so lets say, 3 hours? That's about 40 seconds a combine.

So now we're up to 6 hours and all our leves done and we've got a profit of 20k. And this is close to the best output that we can do with NPC turn ins.

I did 1 set of 9 HQ and it took about an hour and some, gathering mats, buying copper and tin off the vendor and doing all the combines so 6 hours seems like a pretty good prediction. While I was doing this, I got multiple tells from gil farmers offering to sell me 100k gil for 7 dollars. So theoretically I could work a 6 hour shift at McDonalds, and come up with enough cash to buy 600k gil which is the equivalent of a month of doing these 3 for 3 crafting leves.

If I really tried to do these each day, I'd be batshit crazy by the third day. A much better use of my time is to turn in 6 HQ mythril ingots which will take me around 30 minutes to procure and make 5400 gil (25% of the profit).

And this is the BEST way to make money in the game at the moment.

Being on a Legacy server gil for repairs isn't much of a problem people had lots of gil saved up from 1.0. However I can see an issue if you are on a new server. But this issue is getting fixed in the maintenance today with lower repair costs.

My biggest fear is, with gil being harder to obtain, "Gil selling" is going to be a constant nuisance because as gaming has become casual people dont have time to "make gil" anymore, so people will buy it. If gil was stupid easy to get, no one would need/want to buy it. FFXi is a good example: Old FFXI (pre-abyssea for people who still play/ed) gil was hard to come buy, end game ran the show.. but as soon as abyssea was introduced and end game content was lowered/eliminated gil is much much easier to make, and gil selling/tells have gone down so dramatically.. Even though game population has as well, i think this played a huge role in dialing it down.

Now 14 should either make gil needed to only a very small degree.. (ax repair bills, make most items farmable etc) or they need to make it much much easier to obtain it with minimal effort and costs ( gil needed to even start crafting etc)

Also nothing should NPC for less then 100 gil, 1 gil is just silly at least give us something

New server experience for me and my friends.
*reverses gear for level 3 materia*
*fails*
*buys level 3 materia for relic but prices are so high because people need money*
*crafts and gathers*
*makes small amount of money*
*runs end game*
*makes small amount of money*
*GEAR REPAIRS >:P*
/cry