I'm gonna say it. cause no one else will.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

It truly boggles my mind that SE haven't properly explored this as a route for one of the healers to go down =/

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They seem utterly terrified of a Heavensward or Stormblood meta where jobs were more commonly locked out. What's sadly ironic about that is that mentality only shifted because FFlogs did. If pDPS remained the default ranking, BRD and MCH may as well not exist. DNC would have killed them.

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Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv

that because majority of the player base. think buffs are overpowered. people talkin about this back in realm reborn. often shunned made fun off laughed off the forums. funny cause 3-4 expansions later that people talkin about buffs. how great idea that would be. when people ignored them in the past we are in sitation we are now

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It's was actually rather the opposite back in ARR. Selene's haste buffs were HUGELY over valued back in A Realm Reborn. The tooltips were comically misleading relative to how ineffective those two buffs truly were. I pointed out Eos and Whispering Dawn being a net gain over Selene a bunch of times back then and got shot down hard pretty much without fail. It wasn't until later with Heavensward that people started to appreciate just how much value Eos brought to the table in allowing both healers to DPS for longer.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

It's was actually rather the opposite back in ARR. Selene's haste buffs were HUGELY over valued back in A Realm Reborn. The tooltips were comically misleading relative to how ineffective those two buffs truly were. I pointed out Eos and Whispering Dawn being a net gain over Selene a bunch of times back then and got shot down hard pretty much without fail. It wasn't until later with Heavensward that people started to appreciate just how much value Eos brought to the table in allowing both healers to DPS for longer.

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I think the issue was that there was more mechanics back then that healers had to be mindful of that caused them to contribute less in terms of pDPS that Selene's rDPS contribution was just seen as superior in the majority of cases. Yeah SCH could deal pretty good damage since the Fairy did the bulk of the healing back then but Eos was the healing fairy vs Selene being the buff fairy and because Selene had a Haste buff for SkS and SpS that shared a recast timer with Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination, the SCH wouldn't have those oGCDs if they went with Selene and had to heal more on their own.

I remember back when I was progging Coils, my Static had me have Selene out for majority of the fight just for that extra bit of damage from haste but I would often have to settle with just Cleric Stance to throw on my DoTs before being forced to heal again. I much preferred Eos though because it was such a powerful safety net to have for prog which we clearly needed since we weren't able to get further in fights, even with the haste buff but I do admit, that extra haste did occasionally help me to get out an Addlo just before a Tank buster or prey mechanic a few times that even I couldn't tell if it was better or not half the time so I can believe it when people saw merit in Selene over Eos.

It was definitely a case of the original tooltips for Fey Glow/Light being hilariously misleading. If I remember right, they stated that they were a 30% spell/skill speed buff for most if not all of ARR? The reality was that they shaved somewhere in the region of 0.03 seconds per cast for most. Over the entire course of a 7 minute fight, that's 2 extra GCDs assuming everyone has a top notch active rate.

Using WD to open up additional opportunities for both healers to cleric up and refresh dots was a net gain. The math just wasn't as apparent back then.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

The more dps options a healer has available to them the more it is expected until it finally*required*for healers in savage to focus mainly on dps while the bare minimum healing becomes*required

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Haha suggesting that DPS from healers isn't required in savage.. what even are you on? Healer DPS has always been required for savage an most extremes before they were overpowered by ilvl.

Again that's how the game is designed, maximize dps and minimize healing to do more dps..

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

The more dps options a healer has available to them the more it is expected until it finally required for healers in savage to focus mainly on dps while the bare minimum healing becomes required, and then the focus on healing shifts for the entire rest of the game from 1 to level cap that healers must focus on bare minimum heals while focusing MAINLY on optimizing dps until healers are no longer healers because get ready for that end-game content where it's required now or be knocked flat when you get there. They are dps with heal options.

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The hardest content in the game requires healers to use their entire kit efficiently.

News at 11

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The hardest content in the game requires healers to use their entire kit efficiently.

News at 11

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couldn't help myself

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

pure support priest, one of the best design I've ever played. All of my skill points were invested in supportive abilities. I was always very busy casting all sorts of buffs when not healing. Fun times

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To this day I still have that muscle memory of giving each person in the group Blessing, Agi UP, Assumption, and finally Magnificat. In that order, every time. Then Impositio Manus on melee.

Also timing Suffragium between a high wizard's Magic Power and Storm Gust was my guilty pleasure.

I really miss this kind of buffing in MMOs. FFXIV had Protect and Stoneskin but those are dead for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Easily one of my favorite supports I've ever played! I think I never touched again a support class that had THAT amount of support to be honest! It definitely helped me to grow my love for healing/support classes in all sorts of games. :)
Also bard/dancer, sage and alchemist were fascinating as well. RO had a bunch of problems but a very interesting class design.

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RO is actually the game that got me into playing support classes. Before that i was all about DPS but once i tried Priest and Sage i never looked back. All skills had meaningful effects so as a support you'd basically never be bored, even though you'd rarely DPS.
Sure, the balance was broken and it could be frustrating at times to play against hard counters of your class, but class design and uniqueness was amazing which made the game really fun for me, especially when playing with a crew.

I have been playing healer/support classes ever since then, but never got the same amount of satisfaction out of it. These were some amazing memories.

But then again, RO is a dead game now and if FFXIV had the same amount of players, it would not be sustainable considering the budget they're putting into it, so i understand the need to cater for the larger part of the audience, which consists mostly of casual players.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

To this day I still have that muscle memory of giving each person in the group Blessing, Agi UP, Assumption, and finally Magnificat. In that order, every time. Then Impositio Manus on melee.

Also timing Suffragium between a high wizard's Magic Power and Storm Gust was my guilty pleasure.

I really miss this kind of buffing in MMOs. FFXIV had Protect and Stoneskin but those are dead for some reason.

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Oh yeah baby that's the stuff.
Don't forget about getting that sweet Smokie card slotted on your accessory to hide when people target you with Asura Strike :D

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Originally Posted by Kraniel

RO is actually the game that got me into playing support classes. Before that i was all about DPS but once i tried Priest and Sage i never looked back. All skills had meaningful effects so as a support you'd basically never be bored, even though you'd rarely DPS.
Sure, the balance was broken and it could be frustrating at times to play against hard counters of your class, but class design and uniqueness was amazing which made the game really fun for me, especially when playing with a crew.

I have been playing healer/support classes ever since then, but never got the same amount of satisfaction out of it. These were some amazing memores.

But then again, RO is a dead game now and if FFXIV had the same amount of players, it would not be sustainable considering the budget they're putting into it, so i understand the need to cater for the larger part of the audience, which consists mostly of casual players.

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Oh yeah I do think they're very different games, but still, I also wish that nowadays MMOs could improve in the "support" aspect better and treat it with creativity that involves the broad aspects of it.