Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

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Originally Posted by New_Game_Plus

So pretty much don't say anything to others.

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No, just start requiring people to join Discord (or other voice chat service). No chat log no evidence.

There is a lot of people freaking out about this, but I don't see why. Be respectful to your fellow players and you'll have no problems. Change seems good to me.

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Originally Posted by Zanos

What exactly have people done? The FF14 community is way more tame than pretty much any MMO I've ever played. Maybe someone once /shrugged at me after I died in a trial, so damn rude. In fact, for the vast majority of random groups nobody says anything at all other than o/.

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Maybe it became "toxic" in Japan and they want to change it.
You know, saying someone has low dps is an equivalent of stalking someone, or saying kill the ads, oh my killing thats some hi**er and stuff, very bad.
Or saying "Dodge the red", that clearly is a fa**sit political statement.

The world we are living in is getting crazier and crazier.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Least toxic doesn't mean the game is devoid of it. Also, if you were a GM, your perception on how little toxicity there is within the game would likely change.

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Their perception is no doubt skewed. I've been on other MMOs, and comparatively speaking, this one has one of the most polite, friendly communities of any.

Sorry but I'm not going to take attitudes like offering advice on dps, or pointing out errors in dps rotations or the actions someone is taking, as "toxic".

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Originally Posted by LaurieB

No one, no game, no institution, no nothing, institutes babysitting without a reason. Data shows them that, we as players don't have that information, and even if they did it would be "never happened to me that way must never happen at all" which is not true. All I know is that no one wants to spend time, money, effort, just to put you out in some way without a reason. It wouldn't have happened just "because they felt like it" somewhere along the way it got out of hand.

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OK, then I'd like to see them provide the data justifying such easily abused, poorly worded new ToS, including how they plan to moderate and review GM behaviour in order to ensure it does not become unfair or biased. I'm not just going to swallow these rationalisations.

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Originally Posted by LaurieB

No one, no game, no institution, no nothing, institutes babysitting without a reason. Data shows them that, we as players don't have that information, and even if they did it would be "never happened to me that way must never happen at all" which is not true. All I know is that no one wants to spend time, money, effort, just to put you out in some way without a reason. It wouldn't have happened just "because they felt like it" somewhere along the way it got out of hand.

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What are you talking about? Institutions have been stood up for the sole purpose of oppressing people thousands of times throughout history.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

And unless they've changed their stance on it, "Difference of Playstyle" has always been an acceptable reason for dismissal. We shall see if that is still the case I guess.

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I haven't checked in several months, but the last time I saw a "Vote to Kick" screen, the only acceptable reasons were because the player disconnected, was afk, or was harassing other players. I've never seen "Difference of Playstyle" on that screen, ever.

Please SE. Consider pulling and rewriting this document. We all understand what you are trying to do here (dont be a dick to each other), but that is not what the words you have written say. They are easily misinterpreted and can be used to silence constructive attempts at actually helping people. The players in this thread are not pissed about the fact that you want to implement easy to understand rules, but the way it has been worded.

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Originally Posted by CatfishCassie

I haven't checked in several months, but the last time I saw a "Vote to Kick" screen, the only acceptable reasons were because the player disconnected, was afk, or was harassing other players.

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They've always been just those, but GMs would say "Although it's not listed on the screen, playstyle differences are an acceptable reason" when a report was sent to them. That's what I was referring to.

Thirty-two pages of overreactions. XD

Whatever the text says, nothing has changed. Whether an account is banned or not now, as always, depends on how the GM is feeling at the time the report is made. These rules might SEEM like they're adding more restrictions, but really they're just justifying what GMs have been doing (or not doing, at the GM's judgment) all along. People have had no luck strong-arming GMs with the letter of the law up to this point, and that's not gonna change just because the law now has more letters. You don't need to worry about folks filing frivolous cases against you - as long as you keep a level head.

I know it's tough for some people, but as long as you stay civil, remain tolerant of others' shortcomings, don't lose your temper, and basically behave like a mature adult, it doesn't matter WHAT people report you for. The GM will take your side. Heck, if you follow those suggestions, the chances that you'll even be reported in the first place plummet to almost nothing. That's the way it's always been, and now is no different.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

There is a lot of people freaking out about this, but I don't see why. Be respectful to your fellow players and you'll have no problems. Change seems good to me.

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Yeah. It seems like people on the sending end are upset about this.