The time has come to get rid of enrage timers

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I know FFXI had enrages of sorts, but I'm not so sure about single-player Final Fantasy's having enrage mechanics.

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Final Fantasy XIII makes use of enrage timers from at least Chapter 10 onwards. The game never explicitly says so, but if you reach 20 minutes in a boss battle the boss will cast a 3-minute (I believe), unremovable Doom on your character. If the boss isn't dead before the timer finishes, you die. Even happens against the post-game "ultimate" boss too. That'll teach me to play it safe and turtle. :rolleyes:

Can't really think of anything older than that besides specific one-off encounters such as Sin's Giga Graviton, though.

Oh. I never had a boss fight last that long in XIII, so I didn't know about that.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I know FFXI had enrages of sorts, but I'm not so sure about single-player Final Fantasy's having enrage mechanics.

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In a sense you could say that Emerald Weapon in FF7 has an "enrage" in the sense that without the correct materia equipped you need to beat it within 20 minutes.

FF8 starts with a time-limit in which you have to navigate through the city and beat a boss - in a sense we could view that as enrage-timer aswell.

FF10 has the time-limit when it comes to escaping the Al Bhed home - I'm not sure anymore if there is a boss involved or only random encounters though. There is also the Chocobo-eater-boss that can either be defeated, knocked off a cliff or knocks your party off the cliff - depending on how you fight, you'll get better rewards. I mention this because (if I recall correctly) this works in a way that he pushes your party back three times - if hes not defeated before the fourth push, you'll get knocked down and be left without any reward, making this an "enrage"-fight.

I also played FF12 (Zodiac Job System though - not sure if that holds true for the original version) and some of the optional bosses had time-limits, which are basically an enrage-timer.

I know that all of those arent the "hidden" enrage-timer we've got in this game and that some involve more than just beating a boss, but they all have something in common with the enrage-timer we've got here: If you dont "master" the game, if you dont have the needed skill to do something within a given timeframe, you'll lose.
The only difference is that in a single player game its pretty clear who messed up and who is accountable for the "wipe".

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Originally Posted by Vidu

The only difference is that in a single player game its pretty clear who messed up and who is accountable for the "wipe".

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It's the ATB, right? :^)

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Originally Posted by Nestama

It's the ATB, right? :^)

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Kimahri. Its always Kimahri.

Edit: It really is Kimahri. And you know why? Because he deals less damage than Auron...

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Originally Posted by Quor

Remove the enrage timers and you remove a large part of the impetus behind everyone trying to push out as much dps as possible. Right now, there is no choice; you either dps hard enough to avoid enrage/clear the check or you wipe. If SE is serious about not wanting the dps speed/efficiency meta to reign supreme, then they need to remove dps checks and enrage timers and let players choose whether they want to run a sprint or a marathon.

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isnt this what gear progression does. when the fastest kill times are multiple min's faster then enrage the argument becomes moot. unless you are pushing for more people getting day one clears i dont really see the point. raids are easier then ever at the moment

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100102171045

Oh joy! Necromancy! I know how to deal with this.

https://i.imgur.com/QqwnmDh.gif

id love to be a dps role warrior but the game won't let you so that thing about want to do damage be a dps goes straight out the window

The funniest thing about this necropost is that, instead of bringing something completely fresh to the thread, the necrothreader decides to directly reply to the first post of the thread, a thread literally started on the first month of 2018.


Amazing.