PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I'm on the other end of that spectrum, mainly because I play heals most of the time. I run into more DPS trying to get good parses than making sure we don't raid wipe to an add DPS check. Nidhogg EX and A11S being the worst offenders I can think of, but not limited to.

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These people certainly do exist, my opinion is more of just go with what your team wants, whatever the majority of the group thinks is their best strategy going forward should shape how everyone plays in that specific instance
by all means though people should put their opinions out there if people only want to heal and not dps if the party is okay with that its fine, if DPS only want to work on their 1337 parse and would rather have more wipes than winning efficiently that's fine so long as everyone is on the same page there isn't a problem if people can't agree people probably need to leave or risk being kicked.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

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This is not entirely true. If a tank holds aggro in tank stance for a whole dungeon, nobody says, " You should have been in dps stance, scrub! Try to contribute more, you lazy tank!" They are doing their ROLE in the party.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

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Those people who refuse to take suggestion are few and far between and the solution is simple... kick. People who waste time get the boot - DPS, tanks and healers.
And for the record, I heal as well - main SUM/AST - and slotting Protect first was never, ever an issue. I used to do that until just a month ago when I switched to Clerics. No one ever says a damn thing to me when I heal, even when I fudge. Then again... I don't stand around and do nothing. :rolleyes:

Not sure what game some people are playing if they have never seen a DPS get called out for being lazy.

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Originally Posted by Alysrea

These people certainly do exist, my opinion is more of just go with what your team wants, whatever the majority of the group thinks is their best strategy going forward should shape how everyone plays in that specific instance
by all means though people should put their opinions out there if people only want to heal and not dps if the party is okay with that its fine, if DPS only want to work on their 1337 parse and would rather have more wipes than winning efficiently that's fine so long as everyone is on the same page there isn't a problem if people can't agree people probably need to leave or risk being kicked.

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Then I don't see how it's not fine for a healer to not DPS if everyone else is on the same page. Otherwise, this is a double standard. I'm just saying.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Tanks not using cooldowns get yelled at.

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tanks that don't use cooldowns just do smaller pulls.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

DPS who clearly don't do anything get yelled at.

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i've watched many DPS just single target mobs after i pull 2-3 packs.

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Originally Posted by missybee

In what world are DPS and tanks not held accountable? If a DPS or a tank slacks off, you best believe I will indiscriminately kick them just as quick as a lazy healer.

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you people must play a different game than i do. can't remember the last time i saw someone in a 4 man willing to kick anyone and wait for the spot to be refilled. i've seen bad Tanks/DPS/Healers and we always just leave them alone and take an extra 5-10 mins doing the dungeon. maybe once a month or two someone will throw out a line just as the dungeon ends.

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Originally Posted by missybee

That is far and away the silliest thing I have read in this entire thread.

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You say that. And yet just from what I've seen, that's very much the norm. Rare, if ever do I see people hold DPS accountable, preferring to just shrug all the load onto the healer instead. After all, that's the meta, aye? Healers are expected to carry dps for the vast majority, yet even suggest that a dps could do better and suddenly the entire community flames for it.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

This is not entirely true. If a tank holds aggro in tank stance for a whole dungeon, nobody says, " You should have been in dps stance, scrub! Try to contribute more, you lazy tank!" They are doing their ROLE in the party.

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If a tank is Off tanking in an 8 main trial and doesn't have hate and tries to have Shield oath/grit/defiance instead and isn't in DPS stance they will get yelled at, even though TANKING is their Role.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

This is not entirely true. If a tank holds aggro in tank stance for a whole dungeon, nobody says, " You should have been in dps stance, scrub! Try to contribute more, you lazy tank!" They are doing their ROLE in the party.

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So, just to clarify here...it is okay if say...a PLD runs a dungeon and only uses Flash and defensive cooldowns. Nothing but Flash and defensive cooldowns. Keeps aggro of course but uses absolutely nothing else and that includes using zero sword combos...is this okay?

Or...you know wouldn't most people ask them to contribute DPS by using the combos they are given instead of them just spamming flash enough to hold hate then just using cool downs then AFKing until the mobs are dead?

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Then I don't see how it's not fine for a healer to not DPS if everyone else is on the same page. Otherwise, this is a double standard. I'm just saying.

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I did say it is fine for a healer to not DPS if their party is okay with it, but if the majority of their group is not okay with it then something needs to change, either their stance on DPS or their position in the party.