Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

As mentioned the main issue is Paladin melting against Magic DPS.

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It's not at all - Paladin mitigation is fine. DRKs have MORE magical mitigation but the reason they're preferred is purely because they do more DPS. If Paladins did more dps than DRKs (not that they should) you'd see a lot more of them in the first clears of A4S. Paladins have "enough" mitigation for any magic based encounter, but they don't bring anything at all that the other tanks dont for these, so are almost always strictly a downgrade right now (especially at the start of content when undergeared).

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

As mentioned the main issue is Paladin melting against Magic DPS.

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If that's the main issue with PLD then it sounds like PLD has no issue at all. Rampart, Sentinel and Hallowed all work against magic damage. PLD tanked every ARR fight just fine with those three, because blocking even with Bulwark was unreliable. Plus tankbusters now feel a lot weaker than ARR bosses.

I don't really want to send this thread in circles or whatever but I'm bored. Paladin's issues as I see them are:

1) In some cases (mostly heavy aoe healing), can't keep up on dps while maintaining hate*
2) Utility is poor because of how it is implemented. Clemency is too slow, Cover is too niche, Divine Veil recast is too high. I'd also like to see an added effect on Tempered Will to make it useful in fights with no knockback (because they don't really let you cure raid heavy/bind)
3) too much of our dps is concentrated in sword oath. If we see another fight that requires MT tank stance that will be very bad.
4) Shield Bash ended up being the worst stun for actual raid mechanics since they're timed to match warrior and dark knight timers AND paladin further destroys its TP and DPS by using it and breaking combos. You can force a DPS to do it in your stead, but that just lowers party dps further.
5) Shield Swipe got left behind when they made Heavensward abilities

*Some of paladin's issues are mitigated by bringing a ninja, which is paladin's new bff. By doing that, though, you're not bringing a monk (since everyone wants a drg), which means you're missing out on INT debuff because leaving warrior out is just gimping yourself for no reason.

What caused me to switch over to DRK was watching my party get annihilated by cascade during the first couple of weeks while I was on paladin. When I switched to DRK I was able to basically make the damage a joke with Delirium + Reprisal while doing more DPS and not really taking any more damage from autos and dealing with tethers much more easily. I tried out paladin again for Manipulator, but dark knight is so much better for that fight it's not even a contest. I play paladin in 1-3 now (it's more fun), but on 4 I think DRK's advantages and paladin's disadvantages are too significant to change back.

Hi All,

I missed the Live Letter, and while I saw a post here by someone mentioning possible TP adjustments...

* Was there any official Dev Response from Yoshi P during the Live Letter about Paladin?

I didn't see any mention in the full Question & Answer Community Posts (today), nor in Mr. Happy's Live Translation Doc.

Thanks!

This is only thing mentioned about paladin in Q A
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Thread/page3

Ninja’s Mudra
We’re implementing an adjustment to address the lag behavior. This will depend on the player’s environment, so we cannot guarantee the overall speed will be faster; however, it should feel much smoother than before. Please try it out and leave us your feedback.

Additionally, as part of a job adjustment, we’re making detailed adjustment such as ninja/paladin’s TP, and other adjustments to bard and astrologian.

Thanks Sunako. That's why I missed it! (It was listed under "Ninja Mudra" heading.)

Hm, I hope it's more than just a TP adjustment. :(

Seriously if that's all PLD is getting, the combat team is clueless.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Thanks Sunako. That's why I missed it! (It was listed under "Ninja Mudra" heading.)

Hm, I hope it's more than just a TP adjustment. :(

Seriously if that's all PLD is getting, the combat team is clueless.

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Maybe, but I'll take a TP adjust for PLD. It needs love, this is an area that it does, so I'll take it lol.

I have a feeling that they'll just lower shield bash and/or shield lob tp costs

It'd be nice if they gave shield swipe a different potency depending on what shield you have equipped, as well as a different debuff.

It'd be awesome if with a great shield it applied a low potency DoT on top of having, say, 240 potency.

Or change Shield swipe to an Frontal AOE Attack, that we have something else as Flash and Circle for AOE Enmity.
Paladin just feels wrong during tanking Trash. Cause all you do is Circle, Flash Spam and some Halone (whitout combo) to somehow keep the aggro.

If you even try to peform a combo you are fucked and mobs are charging to the AOE DPS.
Flash is one of the most boring skills in this game and it is your Main Skill in 4 man Dungeons.