Instanced Raids Unveiled!

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Originally Posted by Physic

actually the main reason they removed those caps was because they added high level monsters to the areas.

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I like this reason better, lets go with that.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Not really FFXI

Nyzule Isle there 1-100 Floor each floor have would get a random puzzle to win the level.

Kill X mob to win
Kill Same type of mobs
turn on lights at the same time
turn only one lamp on
Turn lamp in order can be 3-6 lamps you had to turn on and each member of the party would fine one.

One of the dev post saying we be doing puzzle and there more thing to do within the dungeon i hope that true. WoW type dungeon are dam boring i got bored of them when i got level 60 it's holy s*** again with this bulls***.

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Yes I forgot the variation of "Kill all" can be "kill some" and the occasional block puzzle. I do prefer puzzles though. If I wanna wail on mobs I will just do those same 3 leves over and over and over....kinda like now.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

For a reason, basically everyone was sick of those caps. Funny that some would like them back.

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Yeah it was pretty rough but for the most part CoP was doable with even odd-ball group setupuds "Aside from wtf snoll" It's too bad they cut out the challenge of getting to the fights.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

IF you want to see the R25 dungeon hold true to it's ranks, what SE needs to do is give good SP in the dungeon. THEN I would be encouraged to run it at r25.

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If they're anything like leves, then dungeons probably would be a decent source of SP. If they weren't, the high rank dungeons would be only available at rank 50, not rank 45. If you can do the end-game dungeons at rank 45, it allows you to gain SP in the process that would go towards your character's level progression.


Anyway, answer this question:

Which course of action is more satisfying to a player who wants to get new dungeon-only gear for his rank 25 Gladiator.


Option 1: Kill everything super fast as a rank 50 Marauder, then "give" (so to speak) the gear to his rank 25 class.

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Option 2: Complete the dungeon as a rank-appropriate rank 25 Gladiator, and "earn" the gear through hard work.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I hope to god there not like wow dungeon --> Enter ---> kill everything --> go to boss ---> done

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Wasn't there a dev post on the JP forum that said it's "Enter ---> Kill boss ---> Play Triple Triad with the remaining mobs ---> Done"?

No, but wouldn't that be nice?

Dungeons don't need to give any SP. I understood it in 11 because we had far more penalties for dying....but here the worst that can happen is needing to walk back to a location.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

If they're anything like leves, then dungeons probably would be a decent source of SP. If they weren't, the high rank dungeons would be only available at rank 50, not rank 45. If you can do the end-game dungeons at rank 45, it allows you to gain SP in the process that would go towards your character's level progression.


Anyway, answer this question:

Which course of action is more satisfying to a player who wants to get new dungeon-only gear for his rank 25 Gladiator.


Option 1: Kill everything super fast as a rank 50 Marauder, then "give" (so to speak) the gear to his rank 25 class.

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Option 2: Complete the dungeon as a rank-appropriate rank 25 Gladiator, and "earn" the gear through hard work.

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First, this question has 2 parts. The first is why would a rank 50 MRD need rank 25 GLD gear? The second part is, it depends on what kind of player you are talking about. In my case, if I just wanted some cool looking gear for the sake of just having it, I would run it as a 50. If I was looking for a challenge and I was bored of the rank 50 dungeon, I would run it as a 25.

You may not feel the same way, but what is the point in penalizing Player A that would have just as much fun running through a dungeon designed for a level 25 on his rank 50?

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Originally Posted by Reaux

Yes I forgot the variation of "Kill all" can be "kill some" and the occasional block puzzle. I do prefer puzzles though. If I wanna wail on mobs I will just do those same 3 leves over and over and over....kinda like now.

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60min and each time it's diff puzzle to win the area i love it that make me want to go in there 500times because it fun. In ffxi Nyzule Isle i did it over 200times and enjoy it :) when you do it with good friend or just random people it still fun like hell. i just hope they bring that over into ffxiv but yoshi-p did play a lot of blizzard game am hoping he does not make it into a wow clone dungeon that be dumb and boring i get bored of it within 10min of playing it. But seeing how there a time limit i think they would be a puzzle type game and more to it then wow. WoW you had no time limit and just killing :) so i hope it going to be fun.,

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

First, this question has 2 parts. The first is why would a rank 50 MRD need rank 25 GLD gear? The second part is, it depends on what kind of player you are talking about. In my case, if I just wanted some cool looking gear for the sake of just having it, I would run it as a 50. If I was looking for a challenge and I was bored of the rank 50 dungeon, I would run it as a 25.

You may not feel the same way, but what is the point in penalizing Player A that would have just as much fun running through a dungeon designed for a level 25 on his rank 50?

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You're not being penalized. It was designed for 25 for fun/gear. You may not like it but it is their design choice for these dungeons. But, just because you cannot run it on a 50 doesn't mean you are being punished for it. As for a rank 50 MRD doing it as a 25GLD, I think the implication in Renta's post was that you were also leveling GLD as an example and that your rank 25 job you are leveling could use it.

Like keeping old gear from a job you previously leveled or got by other means and using on your lower level job that you are messing around on.

Purpose of Time Limt:

-People won't get all the gear or whatever lies in there in a day or 2
-Encourages more playtime runs within those Dungeons
-Gives reason to keep going to that Dungeon to get that gear you always wanted thus making it more Rewarding

Without a Time Limit:

-People will bum rush the Dungeons till they completed everything in there within a day or 2
-When they finish they will complain that they have everything and want SE to pump out more Content now
-Less initiative to want to do Dungeons because it will get old without having a need to go there
-The items you get won't be nearly as rewarding if you just rush everything

Also Reguarding Grand Companies:

-These Dungeons are in Relation to the Grand Companies please do make note of that as to why there's a time limit
-In, the future whenever Grand Companies come out (probably this Summer) That 60 min time Limit may just be there for that reason too, for activities within the Dungeon itself.