Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

The people who play female toons only do so because they lack a real thin "feminine" male counterpart to do so from what I know from first hand experience,

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"The people who play female toons" is way too broad a generalisation to be drawing here.

"Your friends who play female toons", sure. But not "people".

There are plenty of reasons to pick a female character, and I greatly doubt the majority of them are "it's a poor substitute for the male character design I actually wanted".

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Originally Posted by Lauront

au ra /think emote intensifies

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I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by CoolDad

http://ronso.waargh.org/RONSOint/art...ra_kimahri.jpg

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The main reason why I don’t want the Ronso is because of that horn thing in the middle of the forehead. It would bug the hell out of me if I played one.

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Originally Posted by CoolDad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...30rn1jkaeo.png
http://ronso.waargh.org/RONSOint/art...ra_kimahri.jpg

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....can....can we have both, please?

(also as a fellow artist, signatures, people!)

What the heck are we going to get that is a 'throwback to Ronso' - 'Close to Ronso' but not actually Ronso. This is what gets me. If they were created with the idea to be 'male' only and 'close to ronso' then I'm just... IDK, can't wrap my head around what this race could look like without infringing on Miqote.

Dont have to be sexually attracted to your character to like it.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

The main reason why I don’t want the Ronso is because of that horn thing in the middle of the forehead. It would bug the hell out of me if I played one.

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Well if Au ra can glue on new scales to there face and add horns to there hair im sure if we got ronso the horn would be a optional piece thing on the face.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

"The people who play female toons" is way too broad a generalisation to be drawing here.

"Your friends who play female toons", sure. But not "people".

There are plenty of reasons to pick a female character, and I greatly doubt the majority of them are "it's a poor substitute for the male character design I actually wanted".

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"The female BL community" I guess would be more accurate, this game has a pretty huge following with that sort of community on twitter, both JP and Western especially among JP artist from what a friend of mine has painstakingly made me aware of.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

....can....can we have both, please?

(also as a fellow artist, signatures, people!)

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Both is good I'd like both https://www.weibo.com/u/6442021670?r...5014_&is_hot=1 also here I don't know if this artist has a twitter or anything like that. Sadly i don't think I was able to find the source for the ronso image with a plain google search.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

....can....can we have both, please?

(also as a fellow artist, signatures, people!)

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Yassssssssssssssssss please! \o/

I'm always in favour of more cosmetic choices. :3

Damn this thread moves fast.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

See i can understand your point but saying that people who don't like gender locking shouldn't count when they go and gender lock is kinda silly to say, they do count because they are explicitly stating they don't want the very thing that might happen just like how people have every right to complain and count to complaints about a Eureka style content in 5.0 when they only got to elv 2 in Eureka the difference between the two is players can try Eureka to find out if like or dislike it, male Viera may not even get that chance same with female Hrothgar

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I actually don't think you understood where I'm going with the part you bolded. So I'll expand on that while using a general "you", not speaking about "you" directly:
No, your vote don't count if you don't intend to play as one of the gender+race impacted by the issue and if you are only moralizing it. Simply being against "gender locks" without effectively being impacted by it, and thus trying to enforce the creation of a full gender just for the sake of it existing -even if the result turns out to be complete garbage- instead of another one, means that you want ressources to be put into creating something that you don't actually want to play, at the expense of what other people might actually want.
In short, if you push for male Viera without wanting to play it, you are doing nothing but taking a side between people who want male Vieras, and people who'd like to play male Hrothgar. You are inflating numbers for a side while doing a disservice for the other without any practical reason to do so. Both sides have their rights to want to play something without you intervening to decide what side is more worth it that the other. (Again, general "you".)

To be even more clear, the reason why I said that people who moralize the issue don't count is simply because this is not a moral issue. It's strictly a player numbers and ressources one. How much ressources can be put into making a new gender+race, and how many people are going to play it. There is nothing more to it.

People have to understand that gender "lock" is actually not a thing. SE is not actively pushing a switch button to "lock" a race from having two genders. They have to create these genders. They are not putting a deliberate "lock" on it as much as they simply don't have enough ressources to create the other genders.
So, if SE have to choose (and they do), they should make their choice considering the people who actually want to play these races/genders, and not the moralists who don't want to. Because, again, this is not a moral choice that SE is making. It's simply about trying to please the most players actually impacted by this issue. It's about making a compromise. (I mean, we all know that the choice as already been made and I'm just explaining it here. But whatever.)

Important precision: I'm obviously speaking about moralizers who want Male Viera at the expense of Male Hrothgar, and who don't actually want to play any of the two. The idea of getting everything (Male+Female Viera and Male+Female Hrothgar) is obviously not taken in consideration here, as it's unrealistic given the information we have.
I mean, be idealistic if you want and ask for everything, but if they simply can't do it then your request won't achieve anything. If a request simply cannot be fulfilled, then by default it won't be considered. So it's better to be pragmatic.

The tl;dr is: If SE can only make two new playable characters instead of four, then they should make what looks best and what most people would enjoy. As nothing else actually matters. Especially not morale. This was the bottom line of the point I was trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

The tl;dr is: If SE can only make two new playable characters instead of four, then they should make what looks best and what most people would enjoy. As nothing else actually matters. Especially not morale. This was the bottom line of the point I was trying to make.

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The thing is, Hrothgar is a race literally nobody asked for, came out of the blue with no concept art or foreshadowing whatsoever aside form a leak that may or may not be true, and would cater to what would be, what, 5% of the playerbase? (I like Roes but come on, not even male + females reach even Elezen), at the expense of something people have been asking for; male Viera.

If they didn't have the resources of making 4 new characters then why add a second race at all, it just doesn't make sense, and people's doubts are kinda justified when those resources could've just gone to make male Viera rather than this "surprise bara cat race". Part of me does want to believe they in fact created male and female for both races and all this tension is just a bad taste prank/premature April Fools joke, but we'll find out in 4 days 16 hours....

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they should make their choice considering the people who actually want to play these races/genders

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Then they have no reason not to make male Viera given that there's been demand for them for literal years. Not saying there's been no demand for things like what we assume Hroth will be, but I doubt it's comparable.

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If SE can only make two new playable characters instead of four, then they should make what looks best and what most people would enjoy.

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And therein lies the crux of the matter - if they do have such limited resources, why go with the unknown Hrothgar over the much requested and anticipated male Viera?