Gender locked race?

True, it would have been easier to make a point about "people-who-like-playing-as-a-partially-bestial-character mocking other people-who-like-playing-as-the-wrong-partially-bestial-character" if he'd been a miq.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

True, it would have been easier to make a point about "people-who-like-playing-as-a-partially-bestial-character mocking other people-who-like-playing-as-the-wrong-partially-bestial-character" if he'd been a miq.

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I'm not talking about Kemonomimi, I'm talking about people that want ronso. Like, people that are expecting that we get something like this.

https://www.pokebeach.com/forums/dat...jpg?1489900612

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I'm not talking about Kemonomimi, I'm talking about people that want ronso. Like, people that are expecting that we get something like this.

https://www.pokebeach.com/forums/dat...jpg?1489900612

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yea, I imagine only a very small portion of the playerbase actually wants a race like that, even less so in the east I imagine. Don't think SE would ever go so far down that road.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

yea, I imagine only a very small portion of the playerbase actually wants a race like that, even less so in the east I imagine. Don't think SE would ever go so far down that road.

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I still ronso is a pretty cool race lore wise, I just don't think it has very high player demand, which if it still gets added (in my opinion anyway) would be some nice variety, but it's not this heavily requested race.

So was looking at EU law regarding misleading advertisement and this it what found:

link: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...x%3A32006L0114

Article 2: (b) ‘misleading advertising’ means any advertising which in any way, including its presentation, deceives or is likely to deceive the persons to whom it is addressed or whom it reaches and which, by reason of its deceptive nature, is likely to affect their economic behaviour or which, for those reasons, injures or is likely to injure a competitor;

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Article 3

In determining whether advertising is misleading, account shall be taken of all its features, and in particular of any information it contains concerning:

(a)

the characteristics of goods or services, such as their availability, nature, execution, composition, method and date of manufacture or provision, fitness for purpose, uses, quantity, specification, geographical or commercial origin or the results to be expected from their use, or the results and material features of tests or checks carried out on the goods or services;

(b)

the price or the manner in which the price is calculated, and the conditions on which the goods are supplied or the services provided;

(c)

the nature, attributes and rights of the advertiser, such as his identity and assets, his qualifications and ownership of industrial, commercial or intellectual property rights or his awards and distinctions.

So with Viera under EU law (does state individual members may have additional laws so went with pure EU since covers all that area) SE not stating or showing males is fine nothing misleading there you will get exactly what they are currently advertising. We the players may know males exist but no advertisement involving Viera have males and thus no breach has happened

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I still ronso is a pretty cool race lore wise, I just don't think it has very high player demand, which if it still gets added (in my opinion anyway) would be some nice variety, but it's not this heavily requested race.

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also, isnt it illegal to be a furry in some places? SE might run into some issues with that. I think Norway or something banned furries.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

So was looking at EU law regarding misleading advertisement and this it what found:

link: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...x%3A32006L0114

Article 2: (b) ‘misleading advertising’ means any advertising which in any way, including its presentation, deceives or is likely to deceive the persons to whom it is addressed or whom it reaches and which, by reason of its deceptive nature, is likely to affect their economic behaviour or which, for those reasons, injures or is likely to injure a competitor;

and

Article 3

In determining whether advertising is misleading, account shall be taken of all its features, and in particular of any information it contains concerning:

(a)

the characteristics of goods or services, such as their availability, nature, execution, composition, method and date of manufacture or provision, fitness for purpose, uses, quantity, specification, geographical or commercial origin or the results to be expected from their use, or the results and material features of tests or checks carried out on the goods or services;

(b)

the price or the manner in which the price is calculated, and the conditions on which the goods are supplied or the services provided;

(c)

the nature, attributes and rights of the advertiser, such as his identity and assets, his qualifications and ownership of industrial, commercial or intellectual property rights or his awards and distinctions.

So with Viera under EU law (does state individual members may have additional laws so went with pure EU since covers all that area) SE not stating or showing males is fine nothing misleading there you will get exactly what they are currently advertising. We the players may know males exist but no advertisement involving Viera have males and thus no breach has happened

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Aye, that's fine. It's the fact they're saying 'The Viera' and not 'Female Viera' They should be putting down a disclaimer if its genderlocked - especially since you have to pay up to have the race unlocked. Anyone who knows their lore about Viera knows that the males exist, and in a game where none of the races is genderlocked at the moment it warrants the question 'So, is this female only?' And sadly we don't have the answer for that.

Hence why I think they're advertising the minimum - the females. They're not going to step on any toes by 'adding' onto it - only by taking away.

We don't have a disclaimer so far, so that's 'good'.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Aye, that's fine. It's the fact they're saying 'The Viera' and not 'Female Viera' They should be putting down a disclaimer if its genderlocked - especially since you have to pay up to have the race unlocked. Anyone who knows their lore about Viera knows that the males exist, and in a game where none of the races is genderlocked at the moment it warrants the question 'So, is this female only?' And sadly we don't have the answer for that.

Hence why I think they're advertising the minimum - the females. They're not going to step on any toes by 'adding' onto it - only by taking away.

We don't have a disclaimer so far, so that's 'good'.

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aye i don't like it either but it currently is fine as an advertisement only people who know Viera are asking where are males? whereas those who don't know Viera are asking(if they are asking) So is this female only? and its this greyness that i don't like there is nothing wrong with it but it feels wrong kinda hard for me to put into words :s

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

aye i don't like it either but it currently is fine as an advertisement only people who know Viera are asking where are males? whereas those who don't know Viera are asking(if they are asking) So is this female only? and its this greyness that i don't like there is nothing wrong with it but it feels wrong kinda hard for me to put into words :s

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But it's no different to not-advertising something else that may or may not be in the game. They don't need to outline every location, dungeon and monster that will be in the story, so from a legal/advertising standpoint I don't see the presence-or-absence of male Viera as being an issue.

They have advertised some things that will be in the game; Viera-as-currently-shown are one of them. We will get the Viera shown in the press pictures, and thanks to character customisation we will certainly get Viera designs that are not shown in the press pictures.

If they revealed male Viera and then only later said they were unplayable, that might be a different issue. But right now, for whatever reason, they have very deliberately said nothing about them. Therefore they have not actually promised anything, even if you might assume otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

But it's no different to not-advertising something else that may or may not be in the game. They don't need to outline every location, dungeon and monster that will be in the story, so from a legal/advertising standpoint I don't see the presence-or-absence of male Viera as being an issue.

They have advertised some things that will be in the game; Viera-as-currently-shown are one of them. We will get the Viera shown in the press pictures, and thanks to character customisation we will certainly get Viera designs that are not shown in the press pictures.

If they revealed male Viera and then only later said they were unplayable, that might be a different issue. But right now, for whatever reason, they have very deliberately said nothing about them. Therefore they have not actually promised anything, even if you might assume otherwise.

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Which is what my post is about it's not a legal issue it's a personal one i just don't like how they have advertised Viera.

They do not have to show/advertise everything but what they do advertise has to be delivered unless stated it is not possible with the advertisement ie 'Not in game footage', the only instance i have seen SE actually mislead on advertisement for ffxiv has been the 3.1 trailer where they show mechanics of dungeon bosses that never happen in game everything else has been fine by legal standpoint maybe 4.1 trailer using eureka music