Dark Knight Megathread

Ill say it again. Plz revert Salted earth. It was fine the way it was. If anything plz make it to where if you hold the button it casts at your feet instead. that way we can still position it. I know this is such a small thing. but this is really one of my most hated changes. Why do they keep taking away so much agency from DRK players.

How the heck did they make DRK worse? I mean, I understand Abyssal Drain and Carve and Split sharing a CD if the CD was reduced to 30secs or given 2 charges. But wow. SE must really hate DRK.

I should be a masochist and main DRK for the giggles.

I cloooooose my eyes, tell us why must we suffer

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Originally Posted by baklava151

I cloooooose my eyes, tell us why must we suffer

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Releeeeease your hands, for your will drags us under...

I'm not a DRK main, but things I hope they do:

Enhanced Unmend: Applies Darkside.

Flood/Edge: HP gain (100 per for Flood, 300 for Edge)

Abyssal: Since it now shares a cooldown timer with C&S, change it to an MP gain.

Dark Mind: Passable. Added effect: Each time person with buff is struck, regain HP. (300 cure pot)

Blood Price: Same as Dark Mind, but physical. Shares cooldown timer with it.

Salt&Darkness: If it's not targetable, just make it a flat potency hit.

Scourge: Returns as a Darkside action.

Living Dead: No more Walking Dead. Skill prevents you from dropping below 1HP. Compiles damage taken and heals for half of the damage taken at the end of the duration.

I'll ultimately play it because DRK was my "dream" class back in the day and the only tank I give a shit about aesthetically and story wise but it's buttcheeks for sure. At least at first glance.

Status: wait until the inevitable rework in 6.2 or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Tetsujin

I'll ultimately play it because DRK was my "dream" class back in the day and the only tank I give a shit about aesthetically and story wise but it's buttcheeks for sure. At least at first glance.

Status: wait until the inevitable rework in 6.2 or something like that.

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More like wait for the next expansion because at most they will give some bandaids at best in between. They will never make a rework mid expansion

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

I'm not a DRK main, but things I hope they do:

Enhanced Unmend: Applies Darkside.

Flood/Edge: HP gain (100 per for Flood, 300 for Edge)

Abyssal: Since it now shares a cooldown timer with C&S, change it to an MP gain.

Dark Mind: Passable. Added effect: Each time person with buff is struck, regain HP. (300 cure pot)

Blood Price: Same as Dark Mind, but physical. Shares cooldown timer with it.

Salt&Darkness: If it's not targetable, just make it a flat potency hit.

Scourge: Returns as a Darkside action.

Living Dead: No more Walking Dead. Skill prevents you from dropping below 1HP. Compiles damage taken and heals for half of the damage taken at the end of the duration.

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We are already overcapping DarkSide like crazy, so it wouldn't be useful. Though if darkside was reworked it could be interresting.

Abyssal did get the MP gain, but C&S didn't get the heal.

Dark Mind giving us heals each time we get hit is funny, could be decent maybe ? Making 2 buttons for different damage type is a bad idea though, magical damage is rarely applied more than once whereas physical attacks come in flurry. That would create button bloat.

Scourge as a simple skill wouldn't be that interresting I feel.

Livind dead, not bad. Feels kind of strong, against very powerful attacks it'd make it on par with Hallowed Ground in a way. Still requires communication with the healers so you don't end up overhealed, but this way it's actually usable even by yourself.

Players: Changes to Blood Weapon, Living Dead, TBN are needed

Devs: Abyssal Drain now shares a recast with CnS. Also we nerfed our shit trait kinda that no one likes anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

We are already overcapping DarkSide like crazy, so it wouldn't be useful. Though if darkside was reworked it could be interresting.

Abyssal did get the MP gain, but C&S didn't get the heal.

Dark Mind giving us heals each time we get hit is funny, could be decent maybe ? Making 2 buttons for different damage type is a bad idea though, magical damage is rarely applied more than once whereas physical attacks come in flurry. That would create button bloat.

Scourge as a simple skill wouldn't be that interresting I feel.

Livind dead, not bad. Feels kind of strong, against very powerful attacks it'd make it on par with Hallowed Ground in a way. Still requires communication with the healers so you don't end up overhealed, but this way it's actually usable even by yourself.

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It's not about overcapping Darkside, but rather it you need a GCD to get your full damage, unlike the other tanks.

Oh, whoop, didn't see that.

I mean, I agree about Dark Mind, but since this change allows the buff to be passed along to other players makes it more useful. These can also stack with DRKs new skill, Oblation. I'd rather Dark Mind be an overall defensive buff, but it's been like this for years. I don't think SE has any intention of changing it now.

I only threw Scourge in there because I've heard people lament its passing.

Yeah, I saw ASTs Macrocosmos and was like, "That. That's what Living Dead should be."

I don't really understand your idea behind unmend here

Very sad to see the DRK changes today. Especially the Abyssal Drain/Carve and Spit shared timer...wtf was the point of that?

On top of that the self sustain issue that DRK has been dealing with still hasn't been addressed while PLD and WAR both got some VERY strong heals and HoTs. DRK should be the essential drain tank. Instead that's gone to WAR now...LD still hasn't be changed. But hey at least we can reduce the CD time of plunge with unmend.

I personally think the MP cost of the oGCDs should be reduced a bit to keep things flowing better. I also feel like Blood weapon should an HP absorb per attack and the MP regen should be higher on Delirium. Either that or Salted Earth heals you (just you) and damages the enemy while inside of the bubble. Similar to Assylum or Sacred Soil.

I think an interesting Living Dead idea is just keeping the same effects (fighting even after death) but once it drops, you get a "Purgatory" debuff that cuts health by 1/2 for 10 seconds. The same amount of time "Living Dead" lasts for. Once that debuff drops, the other half of HP returns but must be healed.

The question is does abyssal drain mp restoration work like the heal? If so that is instant full mp on certain dungeon pulls. But overall its a L.

No blood weapon change
No living dead change
No dark mind change
No TBN change
No Oblation change
No enhanced unmend change. Trait doesnt work on all targets (Reduces recast time of Plunge by 5 seconds when executing Unmend on most targets.)
No Stalwart soul change

I will still main it in EW for the story, but for raid and content afterwards looks like PLD or GNB for me.

It is very frustrating from a player perspective to have concerns dismissed just because DRK is the most played tank job so it must be fine.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

I don't really understand your idea behind unmend here

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Eh, I mean, it doesn't really matter. I'd rather Darkside not exist since it's a non-mechanic. I'd rather Flood/Edge feed directly into Blackblood once that's unlocked.

DarkSide should be made an actual mechanic, a ressource we can spend on other abilities. That way we have to be careful of it not running out.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

DarkSide should be made an actual mechanic, a ressource we can spend on other abilities. That way we have to be careful of it not running out.

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But that's already Blackblood. Dark Knight doesn't need two mechanics like that. Do you really want Kenki and Wrath on one job?

That's the issue with making darkside a timer. Before it was just a stance that drained your MP/stopped MP regen, so while you spend MP on some skills you have to be careful and regen them, maybe sometime drop the stance to regain MP.
Having a communicating vessel system between MP, Blood and Darkside could be interresting. We are DARK knights not BLOOD knights. That's why Darkside should be a cornerstone mechanic

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Made this years ago. Knew it would come in handy at some point x'D

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

But that's already Blackblood. Dark Knight doesn't need two mechanics like that. Do you really want Kenki and Wrath on one job?

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Why not? Kenki is extremely shallow anyways, thats why SAM has additional systems. Draining a duration isn't new, that used to be from HW DRG.

Beast Gauge lite, Kenki lite and Storm's Eye lite all existing with zero interaction to each other is mindbogglingly boring.

The apex of DRK gameplay is abusing TBN and riding the CD of your ogcds.

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

But that's already Blackblood. Dark Knight doesn't need two mechanics like that. Do you really want Kenki and Wrath on one job?

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No blackblood is about not capping the ressource. The pb with darkside is that without even watching it you can keep it running. If it was seperated of edge/flood of shadow and more like ninja's fuuton buff or reaper's debuff it would be better already.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

I don't really understand your idea behind unmend here

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But enough about Square.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

And I'm not sure how TBN encouraging us to use the shield to maximal effect is "very anti-tank behavior."

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How is intentionally standing in AoE effects not "anti tank behavior"?



TBN feels like the old "Anti Magic Shell" shenanigans that went on in older expansions of WoW with all 3 Death Knight specs.


Death Knight's both tank and dps specs would intentionally stand in heavy hitting magic abilities just to generate as many resources from AMS as humanly possible.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Why not? Kenki is extremely shallow anyways, thats why SAM has additional systems. Draining a duration isn't new, that used to be from HW DRG.

Beast Gauge lite, Kenki lite and Storm's Eye lite all existing with zero interaction to each other is mindbogglingly boring.

The apex of DRK gameplay is abusing TBN and riding the CD of your ogcds.

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Darkside is incredibly uninteractive as well, oh boy it's about to drop -> hit edge/flood and its got another 30 sec duration.

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

*pours one out of the DRKs*

I just gotta say: Yikes.

And, I'm a (former) SCH main.

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I'm both...you have no idea how much it hurts to know SE wants me to not have fun.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

But enough about Square.

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Good one. I tip my hat



Otherwise, yes DarkSide could be so much. If it being a timer that gets drained is too awkward, make it a normal gauge to fill, with some abilities using it that are so good you absolutely don't want to overcap through abuse of Edge/Flood.
Again, Blackest Night using Darkside insteand of straight MP would make sense.

As an Scholar main, I feel your pain, Dark Knights

Shared by Xenosys lol, Edited the profanity.

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Well, that effectively seals my decision. I’ll complete Endwalker, and my journey as a Dark Knight, at the conclusion of story. After that, I am abandoning Drk as my Main and switching over to Reaper. Until they fix the problems with Dark Knight, I will not be utilizing the job.

Just when I thought that was it for Dark Knight, lo and behold SquareEnix DRK Devs surprise me again.

I thought Enhanced Unmend + Plunge and Salted Earth-TWO Meme was bad enough but then I saw Carve & Split sharing a CD timer with Abyssal Drain, something Nobody asked for. Like Nobody, N O B O D Y.

I admit, I really didn't see that one coming- it's like a freight train suddenly appearing on the interstate highway during a traffic jam and plowing through 100 cars when the nearest train tracks are 20 miles away. It's neat that we get a mana restore effect on Abyssal Drain now but now it shares CD timer on Carve & Split? WTF? Carve & Split doesn't even restore HP like Abyssal Drain, not even the same type of skill... SquareEnix is taking the piss out of the players.

The Dark Knight Devs deserve a Special F U Award in Recognition of their horrible contribution. They can share the podium with Scholar Devs too, maybe those 2 can bunk up together in same room with 1 bug ridden stained bed.

The AD/C&S shared CD does address one complaint there was though. It does help reduce the bloated opener.
However this is not enough.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

The AD/C&S shared CD does address one complaint there was though. It does help reduce the bloated opener.
However this is not enough.

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It's not even a significant, tangible problem for most players, if it feels bloated to use AD/C&S in an opener then don't use them both, just use C&S for that quickie oGCD damage and tiny bit of mana gain after blowing an Edge/Flood/TBN and save Abyssal Drain for little later when you need some healing on a mob pack.

It's an easy player choice anyway, not like Abyssal Drain was good for anything other than Heals on 3+ Mob packs. I don't know the mana value restored yet but I hope it's more than a mere 600 mana. Besides, both are oGCD skills, not like they are going to ruin combos or rotations.

This change reminds me of someone reaching for a few pennies when there are stacks of $100, $20 bills offered right there if Issues were like money on the table. Of all the things that can be picked up and handled, they went for the pennies. This is Comedy Gold too but still, at the end of the day a lot more could've been done to make player base happy besides providing Comedy & Meme material.

The issue some people have pointed was that DRK had too much OGCD crammed in openers, leaving no room for defensive abilities.

We're all going to have to play another job for this expansion and raids if we want SE to properly adjust DRK. If the numbers aren't there in raid clears, they'll know they screwed up. Remember, they buffed AST after noting how bad the clears were on it after the first tier of Eden Savage had been out a while.

DRK EW is the new PLD HW. To the bench kid.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

The issue some people have pointed was that DRK had too much OGCD crammed in openers, leaving no room for defensive abilities.

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I get what they are trying to say but in practice all those oGCDs aren't an issue because if you need to use defensive abilities like TBN, Rampart, Shadow Wall, Dark Mind, you just use them. It's not like there's anything stopping players or tying their hands from using those oGCD Defensive Skills.

All those oGCD skills, especially offensive ones like Edge/Flood/Carve & Split and Salted Earth-TWO Meme are really nice for players like me who enjoy Frontloaded Burst Immediate Gratification type gameplay on a tank and want to be able to use or spam those skills immediately at the start. Great for speed running content like dungeons, trials, hunts, etc NOW rather than waiting for a GNB cartridge, PLD gating mechanic like Royal Authority to get Atonement stacks or 30-60+ CDs windows on WAR.

But anyway, Carve & Split and Abyssal Drain sharing CD Timer... that's an annoying Penny Tier change that DRK Devs really shouldn't have bothered with. We got way bigger problems right now and it's going to hurt until next improvement, if any, that could be months or years from now.

I Dunno if this will help and I'm not trying to give out Copium when I say this, but if DRK Players here who already put in a lot of time with glamours, playstyle, time, love and care etc and feeling really upset about the DRK changes and deep down don't want to play another tank class because you got too comfortable with DRK, it is Currently still a Playable and Solid Tank, you don't need to change classes if you don't want to.

Fortunately, The tools DRK has are still more than good enough to get through the game and do most content with. If DRK got nerfed completely and everything impotent and gone to shit well, feel free to jump ship and run away fast.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

We're all going to have to play another job for this expansion and raids if we want SE to properly adjust DRK. If the numbers aren't there in raid clears, they'll know they screwed up. Remember, they buffed AST after noting how bad the clears were on it after the first tier of Eden Savage had been out a while.

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Ast has been like that since it's release, it's a typical trend for the job to suck, and become OP later on.

・6.0ジョブアクションについてはぎりぎりまで調整したのでメディアツアーと比べて変わっているものもある。フィードバックがあれば零式までに再調整も

As mentioned in my translation earlier, they spent extra time reviewing the job balance and kept adjusting the jobs again and again with the delay of the expansion, as much as possible so there are some parts where the skill changed drastically from its Media Tour counterpart.

Users can provide feedback and they will adjust it accordingly before Savage release.

Once again, job adjustments are NOT the reason why the expansion was delayed.

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If I was to look at the C&S - Abyssal Drain change as charitably as possible, inhaling as much hopium as possible;
This might be an acknowledgement that the opener is far too busy, and this is a temporary fix to something they'll address in later patches, considering that there's only so much they can accomplish before release. Meaning, they either have an idea what the issues are, or they're actually listening, and we might be seeing things improve soon.

But fuck me, did that change feel like a kick while we were down.

When it comes to self healing I just can't wrap my head around why Warrior now has a regen on top of the 1200 potency heal. It's like they took Clemency and Aurora and made it one button. Like just why. And DRK just gets nerfs.

Feels bad man.

No meaningful changes. You can just remove Abyssal off the bar and Salt and Darkness now has damage fall off.

Just ugh.

By tomorrow we will know the extent of the baloney after dedicated Tank mains lab it out.

Big Warframe vibes with frames being better then other frames that do the same thing.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

・6.0ジョブアクションについてはぎりぎりまで調整したのでメディアツアーと比べて変わっているものもある。フィードバックがあれば零式までに再調整も

As mentioned in my translation earlier, they spent extra time reviewing the job balance and kept adjusting the jobs again and again with the delay of the expansion, as much as possible so there are some parts where the skill changed drastically from its Media Tour counterpart.

Users can provide feedback and they will adjust it accordingly before Savage release.

Once again, job adjustments are NOT the reason why the expansion was delayed.

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They said one thing and did another, in DRK's case it seemed like they Intentionally Trolled the player base after spending that time thinking up the method.

Like when the DRK Devs decided to add a restore MP effect to Abyssal Drain and make it share a CD Timer with Carve & Split, why didn't they add a reciprocal restore HP effect to Carve & Split to keep both skills Consistently Similar, if they are going to share a CD Timer they should share the similar effects MP restore to MP restore, HP restore to HP restore. It certainly seems like Intentional Trolling.