You know that magical moment of your youth when you play your first single player video game and discover a cheat code that makes you permanently invincible? It's the coolest thing ever for all of five minutes, and then you realize... it's actually incredibly boring. Well, let's just say that some people are really bad at pattern recognition.
Tank healing is to high
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12-31-2021, 02:24 AMLyth
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12-31-2021, 02:29 AMUndeadfire
Invulns are only really used for busters, what difference would it make?
You can't use them to cheese most mechanics, only damage downs can be blocked with zero damage since it's a trend, other debuffs are going to bypass it either way. 1st EX trial (Z) buster debuff bypasses HG/Bolide, no damage but you'll still receive it, and Paladin Hallowed Ground Cover cheesing, got nerfed making sure you couldn't, using Cover on DPS/Healers to soak their mechanic requires coordination, something you won't be doing in PF. Or a good example of E6S Ifrit busters, you're sent flying to the sky regardless of 0 damage, unless you used Living Dead/Hallowed before Holmgang/Bolide buff, you were good as dead. -
12-31-2021, 02:46 AMRhaisThis is not a good comparison, tank healing didn't just suddenly turn a challenging game into a something you can't fail. Combat in this game has been getting progressively more boring for quite some time, nor has there been much difficulty in the vast majority of content for years. Tanks current healing capabilities didn't just create some massive shift in the gameplay experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
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12-31-2021, 02:51 AMIceBlueNinja
As a sage main it I totally love it honestly, since sage is a high dps contributing shield healer, tanks pld/gnb/warrior makes my job even more fun and not stressful. Besides a pld/gnb/warrior able to solo a boss if things go down south if me and dps some how die, can finish up at least light party bosses, Dark Knight I would love if they get that same treatment sheesh aint nothing annoying that killing my entire resource on a dark night while a pld/gnb/breaker I press only 1 to 2 heals and warrior 1 to 0 heals cause of kardia + glint = stupid op xD. It use to bother me but not anymore, I seen the light how it actually is nice for tanks to have high self healing. Please SE give the dark knights some better self heal too.
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12-31-2021, 03:26 AMNyneSwordz
This is still the most useless thread ever.
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12-31-2021, 06:32 AMLyth
You know, I find this fascinating. Every so often someone goes through the effort to bump every single thread on the first page except for this one in an attempt to force it on to the second page. It's not particularly subtle. And it's been the same poster each time. It's an extraordinary amount of effort for something so easily undone.
I do think it's been a gradual deterioration overall. I'm more speaking to the question posed earlier on "Why wouldn't you want yourself to have more buffs? Why wouldn't you want your job to be stronger?" At the end of the day, an achievement is only as good as the effort taken to get you there. I think the decision to have tanks passively self-heal as part of commonly executed actions cheapens the experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhais
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12-31-2021, 08:01 AMShurrikhanCombat getting less engaging, overall, over time does not mean we cannot or should not complain about the combat getting less engaging in specific areas, too, such as in tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhais
Some tanking tools (i.e., means of mitigation or regeneration) are more engaging than others. Generally, that engagement aligns with (A) what seems to visibly interact with content (the tank's cool-looking effects going off just before --or after, if a reactive-- the encounter's cool-looking effect) and (B) what would reward player skill (e.g., when you had to smartly realign CDs or save resources, as if by gambit, in order to pull off the above).
HoTs and flat per-hit heals are about as far from that as you can get. Bloodwhetting, for instance, at least still rewards saving auto-crits, but every other shade of preparing a Nascent window is now gone, no longer rewarded. Gunbreaker's new Excog build-in on HoC times itself, removing that element of player skill. Etc., etc. They're just that much less engaging than what came before and therefore have degraded their kits. -
12-31-2021, 08:34 AMRhaisFor the most part I can agree with the sentiment expressed here, I just think the earlier comparison was not an apt one as the tanking experience in particular and the combat in general has been degraded for some time now for a multitude of reasons. Death by a thousand cuts, and this is just one more. I view the outrage over specific changes with some bemusement when they fit within the trends established by the devs for several expansions now. (I believe this is good example of little capacity for pattern recognition.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
Given the above statement, I do think that removal of self healing wouldn't improve the current tanking experience all that much as the experience they cheapen already lacks value. -
12-31-2021, 08:41 AMShurrikhanExcept, again, the outrage isn't new, merely reiterated upon, just like the problems that have triggered it. And if it's to be death by a thousand cuts and we've all lost count but no we've been cut aplenty already, why wouldn't people become increasingly worried that the "thousandth" is closing in and resist that bit harder whatever changes they think degrade the experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhais
These are indicative concerns, even if they might not seem vital when seen in insolation. Players can recognize that a problem has occurred before without being any less upset that it is occurring yet again, just under a vaguely new form. -
12-31-2021, 09:06 AMRhaisI have not suggested that people should stop voicing their concern over the direction the game is going at all though. Nothing in the two posts you quoted was discouraging anyone from complaining about the state of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan