About the World Merge and Character Transfers (02/09/2012)

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Originally Posted by Gramul

But it doesn't have to happen. We don't have to loose friends under the standard system.

(As far as we know. Patiently awaiting translation of the explanation.)

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they already gave us a transtlation of the explenation actualy, go look at the other dev responded transfer thread

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

If I order a ham & cheese sandwich, see them make one and then put in a blender, spill the contents on a plate and get it handed over to me: I will not "just deal with it". I will f***ing complain.

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And how many people do you know blend their ham sandwhiches? They give a very good reason for doing this the way they did right in the initial post. They are tying to be fair to everyone globally (read the part about french and german players that are spread across every server). My point was, there was absolutly NO way they could have done this in a manner that pleases every single person. Had they done just a strait up server merge, I am sure the French, Japanese, and German forums would look exactly like ours do right now.

So at most, your ham sandwhich here was toasted, and you like yours plain. Far from being put in a blender either way.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

It's a matter of whining. A shining example of naivete.

This is a server merge. No matter how it is carried out, someone somewhere will be complaining. There is no perfect way to do it. There are only ways that will least effect 'you' personally.

They chose to go with a fair system - one that effects every subscribed player. It's a matter of coordination.

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It's not a fair system at all. Communities are being broken down in the progress. There are far less invasive ways to do this like for example merging entire servers.

Tell me why accoording to you the procedure they're suggesting is good. What benefits are being provided by that system over all the other ones.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

It's not a fair system at all. Communities are being broken down in the progress. There are far less invasive ways to do this like for example merging entire servers.

Tell me why accoording to you the procedure they're suggesting is good. What benefits are being provided by that system over all the other ones.

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only if you tell me what prevents everyone on the same server from just choosing the same server to go to so that they all end up together anyway

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Oh, there is a Regular and Perfectly Reasonable way?

I suppose you're referring to combining lower populated servers and keeping high populated servers as is? So half the community remains unaffected while the rest are forced together? Oh, but you allow people the freedom of choice to go where they want as well? This freedom comes with the cost of people losing contact with some friends potentially. No way around that one I'm afraid.

What about their last suggestion and/or plan to close down low populated servers and force people in them to pick from the highly populated ones. Very little choice in that, and again it does not effect some players while it drastically effects others. Also much more limited in space so the closing servers would have to be spread thin across existent large ones.

They had other plans. They were vocal about it. Since then there has been constant discussion about people complaining and suggesting other methods. No matter what people are unhappy.

So SE basically says: "Everyone's moving, and to brand new, empty servers. Coordinate yourselves and do it the way that will best make you happy. You have control."

Eh, that's enough from me. I don't expect to convince anyone to grow up on these forums. Just wait for the translation of Yoshi-P's post - you were asking for an explanation.

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Okay. First, you can drop the passive aggressive act right now. No one needs that.

Second, yes, that's the system I'm talking about. It's been done before with minimal complaints. Being forced together means piratically nothing more than more new players for the community. And this way communities arn't broken up.

Another option is to add the small servers to the larger ones and middle servers to each other.
Bam, everyone's "forced together". So the "half the community remains unaffected" unfairness vanishes.

Hell, even a simple recommended server system would be better than making the whole community figure it out for themselves. At least then, people can just say "yeah, let's just stick with the recommended system" while other players so intent on leaving the old community can do so.

But maybe Yoshi's explanation will be reasonable, I wouldn't put it past him. (going to read it right after this)

EDIT: Looks like the translation was more for the world names, rather than an explanation as to why they decided to make the players choose and perhaps unintentionally split their communities.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

only if you tell me what prevents everyone on the same server from just choosing the same server to go to so that they all end up together anyway

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Sine it's first come first serve the servers have a decent probability of filling and those who are on break or don't have the current means to play are left to chance....

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

It's not a fair system at all. Communities are being broken down in the progress. There are far less invasive ways to do this like for example merging entire servers.

Tell me why accoording to you the procedure they're suggesting is good. What benefits are being provided by that system over all the other ones.

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It is many things. Unfair isn't one of them. It effects every subscriber the same way. Many other suggested procedures however cannot make the same claim.

The pros of this procedure is that it is fair, and that it gives the community full control. Personally, I would have preferred the old procedure they announced where high populated serves would stay as is while lower ones would merge unto them. See, this wouldn't effect me much at all and would keep my community on Lindblum intact whilst introducing new names as well. How awesome! However, I am not so selfish as to push a procedure that benefits me best as the best procedure universally.

It is a server merge - a necessary evil. With this procedure we as a community have full control. Things will change for everyone. We chose who to go with. Can we honestly say that all of our acquaintances on our servers and indispensable friends? Really?

It's an MMO. We'll move to a new server, meet new people (hell active forum-goers already have cross-server relationships) and make new friends. Seriously it's not difficult. We've all been losing tons of friends due to them leaving the game since it's launch already. Gradually, but surely. Then we make new ones. This ain't nothing new. People who enjoy eachother's company exceptionally (like a pseudo-FFXIV family) will already chose to stick together.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

only if you tell me what prevents everyone on the same server from just choosing the same server to go to so that they all end up together anyway

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Exactly. Nor does it solve the issue for the few international players that want to play with more people from their country. Why not just stand in town and shout which server you would like everyone to move too. This way at least gives everyone time to get a game plan together and get the most out of it as opposed to just slapping 2 large groups of strangers together and hoping for the best. It also seems like this way will cut down on the number of people that have to change their names because they are being forced into a server where that name was already taken. The same goes for Linkshell names.

The general opinion seems to disagree with your assessment that this will please more people. In fact, nothing about this system is likely to please the majority. It makes no sense to "help the community" by forcing it to splinter in this manner. Forcing Linkshells to break apart is not in the communities best interest, and it is completely unnecessary.

Sure, nothing will please everyone, but this method doesn't seem to please the majority, nor does it help them.

Holy hell linkshells will not split apart if you actually talk outside of the game lol.