#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

I agree that healers are plagued with issues as of late, but the one real problem I have with this idea is if you do this, you're going to be striking for the entire expansion. It's incredibly unlikely that they're going to make any major changes to healers mid-expac.

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The strike is basically just 'we dont want to play healer anymore, we'll play jobs that are more fun' so for how long this goes isnt really a problem.

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

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than watching the tanks drag everyone through the boss when it would've been quicker to wipe. Asura is particularly bad about this.

I have asked these questions. I have made these observations. I have made these considerations. And I have performed, and killed the boss, many times. On every tank for doing what you are talking about, because that's my main role. And even then, even then, I would still give it up, because I know people get bored or angry if I do, and I honestly shouldn't be able to solo something designed for 4 people with THIS much ease. It's not a power fantasy for me anymore to kill a boss that I know is so undertuned that it can't kill me unless I effectively gave it the gun to do so through self inflicted vulns. Even something like DRK with Tycoon, something that I CANNOT solo from 100% to 0 on my own, only about 30% or so, because it would take like ten minutes and I run out of CDs, if I had some DPS flailing about, we absolutely could've downed it with no healers. It's cool to watch for some people, and I love doing it when it happens because I have to think for moment in normal content. A "time to lock in", if you will. But it's a flaw in the design. It shouldn't be this...expected. It's no longer an outlier. It's a feeling of "Everyone's dead? Whatever, didn't need them." That's the last thing I want to feel in an MMO. There is a wide abyss between "Nothing matters, take all the vulns you want who cares" and "If you miss this feint/are out of position, we are all going to die instantly." We continue to fall on the wide sides every time.

We can't get it right in either direction.

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This is actually a good point. We have sort of the same thing in WoW. For example, DK (deathknight) is known as one of the tanks that can heal themselves really well. Alot of times, even on the harder content, you'll have a situation where the healer and/or the dps will die and the DK will just solo the boss. Now this is all well and good for the DK, but I can say as a healer and/or dps it is not fun sitting there for 5 minutes watching a DK fight by himself while you just...lay there on the floor lol.

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

I agree that healers are plagued with issues as of late, but the one real problem I have with this idea is if you do this, you're going to be striking for the entire expansion. It's incredibly unlikely that they're going to make any major changes to healers mid-expac.

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They did drop the Paladin rework mid-expac but if they don't want to that's fine, I'll just keep playing DPS

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

I agree that healers are plagued with issues as of late, but the one real problem I have with this idea is if you do this, you're going to be striking for the entire expansion. It's incredibly unlikely that they're going to make any major changes to healers mid-expac.

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I started ARR as WHM and raided coils when it was current and loved it. But I've been effectively doing this "strike" since Stormblood when they tried that gauge fiasco on WHM and I dropped it. I'm sure many others have a similar tale. It's just that people are now talking about it.

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Originally Posted by GreenLeafy

Reading this gave me war flashbacks from when a mechanic like this DID exist ( in HW? SB? I just can't remember the name of the ability that did it) and the macro spam and warrior rage to get the esuna was craaaaaazy. Was playing a lot of bard at the time too and since I could esuna aswell I'd be yelled at too if the healer didn't do it LOL. What a time.

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You're talking about the Pacification debuff. As a healer I enjoyed that mechanic. I thought it was a fun test of skill to see if I could remove it before it even ticked.

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Originally Posted by Nyome

Adding to WAR, adding a brief heavy after use may be an easy fix. Allows Healer to esuna rather than heal. Plus solo WAR shouldn't need to worry if it's short enough (e.g. 10 seconds).

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Reading this gave me war flashbacks from when a mechanic like this DID exist ( in HW? SB? I just can't remember the name of the ability that did it) and the macro spam and warrior rage to get the esuna was craaaaaazy. Was playing a lot of bard at the time too and since I could esuna aswell I'd be yelled at too if the healer didn't do it LOL. What a time.

Edit : Oh I found it, was in HW and after Berserk runs out you'd get Pacification debuff. " Pacification is a detrimental status effect that prevents weaponskills and auto-attacks from being used for the duration of its effect. It has no effect on other actions such as spells (Silence) and abilities (Amnesia). "

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Originally Posted by GreenLeafy

Reading this gave me war flashbacks from when a mechanic like this DID exist ( in HW? SB? I just can't remember the name of the ability that did it) and the macro spam and warrior rage to get the esuna was craaaaaazy. Was playing a lot of bard at the time too and since I could esuna aswell I'd be yelled at too if the healer didn't do it LOL. What a time.

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fairly certain that was from ARR, Berserk would apply a pacifiy to the WAR when its effect wore off, removed in SB.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

It's interesting to me that lots of tank mains talk about bad healers as though parties are just wiping left and right due to bad healing at higher levels. That's just not my experience. Maybe in older content because players are newer or have maybe forgotten mechanics (roulette can be that way). At higher levels I find this happens way less. Expert roulettes are child's play 95% of the time.

And if you actively watch healer casts it's truly comical.

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I've had similar experiences as well. A bad healer at level 50 vs level 90 content is night and day in terms of clearing most casual content that it's almost comical that people consider it an issue at all. I'm not even a skilled tank but I've carried my fair share of groups on my PLD after a healer died to a boss that it's a non-factor to consider, even if the entire party is bad.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

MrHappy's Monday w/ MrHappy video first two questions were healer issue/strike related, and his takes... I mean I'm not participating in the healer strike, but even I'm not THAT dismissive of the issues. Just more of the same: 'We don't have enough info' and 'Oh, it's only a few people' arguments.

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How will he get on the media tour list next time if he doesn't parrot the same vein of PR speak like YoshiP? :p

Its why the idea of only feedback making it to devs being from content creators is a slippery slope , you never know when they'll turn shill just to keep staying on that list. Its just business.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

MrHappy's Monday w/ MrHappy video first two questions were healer issue/strike related, and his takes... I mean I'm not participating in the healer strike, but even I'm not THAT dismissive of the issues. Just more of the same: 'We don't have enough info' and 'Oh, it's only a few people' arguments.

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MrHappy was still the last bastion of XIV shilling even back when Zepla was being very unhappy about Endwalker so not surprising.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

MrHappy's Monday w/ MrHappy video first two questions were healer issue/strike related, and his takes... I mean I'm not participating in the healer strike, but even I'm not THAT dismissive of the issues. Just more of the same: 'We don't have enough info' and 'Oh, it's only a few people' arguments.

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I feel like the most interesting part about his answer there was that he prefers to play healer in casual content with random people, because he feels like as healer he has the most control over to make sure there will be a smooth run of the content. So I don't think it is that strange that someone doesn't support the strike if they play healer in casual content because that is the role they enjoy the most there (even with the state the game is in).

The just a few people argument sound a little bit dismissive for sure though, but if I understood it correctly it sounded like that it came from experience where he supported stuff like this in the past but later found out that he was only part of a minority where he thought it was a majority before. So I can't fault him for feeling like that.

About waiting for the content first to release. I can understand everyone who is fed up and doesn't want to wait but I can totally understand as well if someone wants to wait and see first. Because it is not long until the expansion releases and nothing will change until then anyway no matter what.

I think his answers there where pretty decent and reasonable (even if they could have been worded a little bit less dismissive in some regards)