Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Female Hrothgar better not look like female Roegadyn....I want the beautiful Femroes to have no equals.

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They will be Furry big cat faced ROES, with max muscle slider. :)

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

They should just use female Highlander Hyur's body and make it a bit taller, but not as tall as female Roegadyn.

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Or they could not just pull a garlean and use an already existing body, change the head, call it an entirely distinct race and hope no one would notice. And no slapping on a different texture onto that for the fur would not make it acceptable. I'd rather we not get fem hrothgar than just get a furry highlander.

And I'm not sure why you think fem hrothgar shouldn't be as tall as fem roe. It's not like there's some rule that different races cannot share similar height.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Or they could not just pull a garlean and use an already existing body, change the head, call it an entirely distinct race and hope no one would notice. And no slapping on a different texture onto that for the fur would not make it acceptable. I'd rather we not get fem hrothgar than just get a furry highlander.

And I'm not sure why you think fem hrothgar shouldn't be as tall as fem roe. It's not like there's some rule that different races cannot share similar height.

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Im hopeful they will follow suit with the Males that use the MaleRoe body, and Use the FemRoe Body for Hrothgar Females.
They should be tall and muscular, like fierce warrior jungle cats. It would be preferable if they didnt have a slouch, but most beastmen have that slouch.

My one true nightmare is that they will make them all Dainty and cute, and give them Human-ish faces. I pray that the females get Real Muzzles like the males.

I think it'd be interesting if Femhroth were taller than the males, or at least their stance be more upright and give said illusion. Kind of how lionesses have that predatory elegance to them.

Idk, been playing my Roegadame alt and I like their powerful poses, I wouldn't have a problem with Femhroths using them as a base.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

I think it'd be interesting if Femhroth were taller than the males, or at least their stance be more upright and give said illusion. Kind of how lionesses have that predatory elegance to them.

Idk, been playing my Roegadame alt and I like their powerful poses, I wouldn't have a problem with Femhroths using them as a base.

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Since they are "Queens" I think it makes sense that they could be more...elegant.
So while the males slouch, the Females stand tall. I can get on board with that.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Since they are "Queens" I think it makes sense that they could be more...elegant.
So while the males slouch, the Females stand tall. I can get on board with that.

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If their general vibe (emotes, posture, idle stances, etc) is somewhere between elezen and fem roe or highlander it could work really well. Elezen are very elegant while fem roes and highlanders look confident and powerful.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Or they could not just pull a garlean and use an already existing body, change the head, call it an entirely distinct race and hope no one would notice. And no slapping on a different texture onto that for the fur would not make it acceptable. I'd rather we not get fem hrothgar than just get a furry highlander.

And I'm not sure why you think fem hrothgar shouldn't be as tall as fem roe. It's not like there's some rule that different races cannot share similar height.

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I personally think they will go the route of Hrothgar males ... in that they will be an attempt at a more appealing/ attractive and better proportioned large female body that wont be nearly as tall as Femroe. So basically "taller Highlander looking body".

Like, People forget that Hrothgar can simply not be as tall and buff as Roemales. Hell, they're not even as tall as Femroe or Dragos. And they clearly have a more attractive bodyshape compared to Roebros with their inverted triangle shape and better proportions compared to Roebro rectangle torsos and gorilla like limbs ... so at the end of the day Roebros stay the biggest and meatiest just like I'm sure Femroe would stay the biggest and buffest. And something that looks like a shorter and more attractive femroe would be basically a thighlander.

https://i.redd.it/7y4h0dfoyp031.png
https://i.redd.it/6csqv9e5ki031.png

Would love for them to be just as tall or taller than Hrothgar males with the size vairirty of Femroe but I don't think they're going to take away Femroe's title of tallest females and I do expect them to look more attractive than Femroe body shape-wise to match the Hrothgar males in that regard.

But who knows, they could pull a draggo on us and give is the FF11 cat girls or tiny house cat headed kitty girls. Even the only text I know of that questions their appearance questions if the males are the only big and burly ones between the two. Hope we get to see them some day.

(But if they go off of Ronso I'd expect the females to be shorter than the males)
https://www.universalsoluce.com/guid...aces/ronso.jpg

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Im hopeful they will follow suit with the Males that use the MaleRoe body, and Use the FemRoe Body for Hrothgar Females.

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This is misconception, all non-lala females are built off of the Middie body and rig. Roebros were the only ones other than lalas to have a unique rig/ base until they made Hrothgar based on them. When they added in Femroe they didn't make something that would properly be treated as the female counterpart of Roebros in actual bodyshape and uniqueness, if they had they would be wider and have a rig based on Roebros that would likely share animations with them like Lalas do.

You can see it in shared animations like Toast, Roebros and Hrothgars get a their own animation for it compared to other males and Lalas have their own animation. Femroe share the same girlish emote for it as all other females cause they're all made from middie rig/ base. Riding on a cloud mount, Roe and Hrothgar get their own cool way of sitting on it where as Femroe do the same thing as every other female.

You can even see it with Viera, they have middie underwear because even though they're tall and elezen like in frame the team didn't just grab the elezen model and reshape it to look better ...they just built a better looking tall&slim body using the middie base and didn't make unique underwear for them.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is misconception, all non-lala females are built off of the Middie body and rig. Roebros were the only ones other than lalas to have a unique rig/ base until they made Hrothgar based on them. When they added in Femroe they didn't make something that would properly be treated as the female counterpart of Roebros in actual bodyshape and uniqueness, if they had they would be wider and have a rig based on Roebros that would likely share animations with them like Lalas do.

You can see it in shared animations like Toast, Roebros and Hrothgars get a their own animation for it compared to other males and Lalas have their own animation. Femroe share the same girlish emote for it as all other females cause they're all made from middie rig/ base. Riding on a cloud mount, Roe and Hrothgar get their own cool way of sitting on it where as Femroe do the same thing as every other female.

You can even see it with Viera, they have middie underwear because even though they're tall and elezen like in frame the team didn't just grab the elezen model and reshape it to look better ...they just built a better looking tall&slim body using the middie base and didn't make unique underwear for them.

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What misconception?
I just like the look and stature of the Femroe body. It fits my idea of a strong looking Female character.
Thats all I want LOL.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

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What misconception? .

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Misconception that Femroe have some kinda unique body situation like males do. I see it spread a lot, people don't understand that outside of Roebros and lalas all other PC characters are made from middie bodies as a base til now. If you think they should look like Femroe then fine, but unlike Roebros Femroe don't have a unique rig so there's not a 1:1 comparison to be made here. Even if they make em tall they're gonna build them from Mid body and make them look different from Roe as to not step on their toes.

I think what they mean is they want female Hrothgar to be as masculine as femRoe's (strong woman, etc). Not 1:1 in body and stance and such.

Like I personally want the females to be given the same treatment as males. Strong, hunched and still bestial in appearance (beast head like the males. GW2 Charr for example).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I think what they mean is they want female Hrothgar to be as masculine as femRoe's (strong woman, etc). Not 1:1 in body and stance and such.

Like I personally want the females to be given the same treatment as males. Strong, hunched and still bestial in appearance (beast head like the males. GW2 Charr for example).

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I'd really prefer to refer to femroes as "handsome" rather than "masculine" :x
They've all got some strong features, but they're still very feminine in my opinion.
(Agree with the rest of the post tho!)

I should REALLY be making more fan concepts for them @@ (god i'm so lazy)

I meant to comment on this.
To male Roegadyn, female Roegadyn are very feminine. Calling femroe "masculine" is way out of line.
It's like me calling male hyur feminine just because they're not as strong looking as male Roegadyn.

PS. Femroe have more curves than any females in the game.

I would like big strong femHroth please.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I think what they mean is they want female Hrothgar to be as masculine as femRoe's (strong woman, etc). Not 1:1 in body and stance and such.

Like I personally want the females to be given the same treatment as males. Strong, hunched and still bestial in appearance (beast head like the males. GW2 Charr for example).

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Ehh, I will never understand the desire to have another masculine female like the Femroe. I've played Femroe for years, I don't want a 2nd femroe ... IF they make them tall I want something better and more appealing much like how Hrothgar are a better looking, more appealing option. Like how Viera male fans don't want a Elezen bod and how the Draggos aren't stepping on any other race's toes with their body shapes even thought they're completely different between genders. And besides, the Hrothgar are more so defined by their animal/ beast features than being "the biggest and swollest" so no real need for the women to be Femroe shaped or jacked over something else more feminine.

As for "same treatment as males" that's gonna be a hard pass on the hunch. If they were like the Charr then sure, I'd love it. Got a female Charr myself ... but that's not how Hrothgar are. Hrothgar look far more human shaped than the more-beast-than-MAN Charr. So I assume the females, unlike the Charr, are gonna have 2 human breast ... which would look terribad with a default hunch like the Males. I could see them hunching for some emotes or animations but as default? Nah.

Looking at the size chart for females and the Ronso character sheet makes me think they might just make them between Thighlander and middie seeing as that's the last BIG gap in that height range that would be "taller" than middie but shorter than the males. Hoping for thighlander to Viera at least though or Viera to Elezen.

The desire is mostly because I don't want them to end up as a Miqo'te/Au Ra 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

The desire is mostly because I don't want them to end up as a Miqo'te/Au Ra 2.0.

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There's a world of room between "Miqo'te/Au Ra 2.0" and "Femroe 2.0".

Part of what got me to try Highlander out is that they have a general body shape that would closer match the female version of what Hrothgar have going on (Triangle shape vs hour glass shape. still got muscles for days but curves to match) as well as the "Not taller than the males but still tall" thing going for them ontop of a very powerful and aggressive/ expressive emote list of animations. People kinda been sleeping on them cause "humans are boring".

So yeah, I think they would prob look like animal headed thighlanders for the most part.

If we're actually theorizing what they would like from context clues that's an interesting angle. Ronso females come up to about the chest level of male Ronso which also makes me think they would be around thighlander tall or even shorter. But they run on a matriarchy, so maybe the few women in their community have control cause they're taller and stronger than any male with comparable Femroe height. But that's kinda a primal way to look at things, they could have a matriarchy that works with such few females because the males are used as the muscle and the females as the more fragile brains that need protecting (If women run things and are such a small number in the population it would make sense for the more expendable males to be larger and on the front lines). Emote wise they could be anything from dignified heads to goonish gang leaders given their control over hrothgar communities.

Or maybe if they ever show up in game the devs will do something unexpected like giving them thighland hips/ thighs but making them completely flat chested (as in zero boobs, like lalas) to push the beast side as animals don't normally have breast like humans without recently giving birth. That way, even if they're not huge or w/e and land somewhere between middie and thighlander, they would still look look very different from Miqo'te. Lack of breast slider could open up room for something else, like maybe a mane length option for a lil extra control in the EFFED UP Hrothgar mane situation.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150429030725Id say theyd look like Wrothians from the Xenoblade series essentially Furry Roes

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Female Ronso/Hrothgar are already shown in the x games. There is no point in genderlocking them.

The reason I made this thread is to ask for those that believe in female Ronso/Hrothgar as a playable race. I believe that both gender locks should equally be removed.

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Can we just get functional headgear first before we burden the modeling team with an entirely different rigging job

Female Hrothgar may just be a race I try out. I've a fondness for cats, after all. So I may be a bit bias.

+ 1 on the support!

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Originally Posted by Jirah

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150429030725Id say theyd look like Wrothians from the Xenoblade series essentially Furry Roes

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Hard Pass.
They have Humanoid faces. The Females should have full on cat face muzzles like the males

Im gonna have to say hard pass as well as please no.

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Originally Posted by A_moth_called_rose

Can we just get functional headgear first before we burden the modeling team with an entirely different rigging job

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The devs already told you you're not getting all the head gear. Tis how they designed the Viera and Hrothgar.

I'd pref supporting something they haven't ruled out completely, to remind them that people want it. Or at the very least having a place where we can think openly about how they could look.

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Originally Posted by Corrie

Im gonna have to say hard pass as well as please no.

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Agreed.

Even if I don't think they would be animal headed Femroe I still don't think they should/ want them to be almost human in face.

Even if they make them middie tall they should have animal faces. Even if they make them house cat based faces for the anime uwu fanbase of this game.

I wouldn't mind them looking towards Khajiit for inspiration. Just more muscular and with horns sometimes.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/58...497f4b181e.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQu9F97WAAEKtGO?format=png

The poor bastards don't even get headwear even though they're just using the Roegadyn animation skeleton, and you want them to add a whole new gender?

I actually quite agree, but man you are sincerely optimistic.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

The poor bastards don't even get headwear even though they're just using the Roegadyn animation skeleton, and you want them to add a whole new gender?

I actually quite agree, but man you are sincerely optimistic.

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It's all a matter of operations management.

If Yoship can find a way to "bribe" (make his case) why XIV needs graphic artists from Square enix's other departments to be added to his development team then it can be done. He just has to convince the CEOs and marketing department why it's critical they do this now for the future of FFXIV and the company as a whole. Let's hope that our fiery support 1800+ people in the male Viera thread and some 1200+ here is enough to move them. Detaching face/hair has been done by them already by the way, you can see this at Bozja. It's just a matter of doing it for all the hrothgar hair styles and face combinations.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

The poor bastards don't even get headwear even though they're just using the Roegadyn animation skeleton, and you want them to add a whole new gender?

I actually quite agree, but man you are sincerely optimistic.

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I mean, Viera also don't get hats. I would GLADLY toss aside my truly favorite hat in this game (The Eureka Aiming and Striking hat that I'm likely wearing RN) a long with all my unlocked hairs to have a well implemented Female Hrothgar to play.

And there's a difference between being optimistic and wanting something to happen.
Optimistic is thinking they will ever be playable as things stand.
The only way I can see that happening is if FF14 is getting a PSO2: NG level engine update for 6.0. That or if the general decrease in dngs/ battle content is a sign of them using resources to make the new genders. So tbh I don't hold much personal hope. MAYBE they will show us how they look ... but there is a long WIDE road between "seeing a NPC that doesn't do even a fraction of what a character can" and "fully playable race/ gender".

Doesn't mean people can't want or hope for things to happen, and that's all this thread really is. A place where we can show the devs that we want this and talk among ourselves about how cool they would be.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I wouldn't mind them looking towards Khajiit for inspiration. Just more muscular and with horns sometimes.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/58...497f4b181e.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQu9F97WAAEKtGO?format=png

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The 2nd image they look a little too lean and Frail, just going off of the image at face value.
Now that 1st Khajiit image on the other hand, would be bloody awesome if they could look that fierce.
Im not feeling the idea with horns though personally, since they are primarily Feline, it wouldnt make sense for them to have horns, not like they are Charr or anything. If the Ronso argument comes back that was only the Males.
But hey there at least are a few Horn Glamours.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

The poor bastards don't even get headwear even though they're just using the Roegadyn animation skeleton, and you want them to add a whole new gender?

I actually quite agree, but man you are sincerely optimistic.

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Its not like they cant do it later man. Sure it sucks we dont just have it now, but also gotta understand that would be ALOT of gear they'd need to redesign to fit a Non-human head. Some of the Face gear doesn't even properly fit because it wasnt made for such a face.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It's all a matter of operations management.

If Yoship can find a way to "bribe" (make his case) why XIV needs graphic artists from Square enix's other departments to be added to his development team then it can be done. He just has to convince the CEOs and marketing department why it's critical they do this now for the future of FFXIV and the company as a whole. Let's hope that our fiery support 1800+ people in the male Viera thread and some 1200+ here is enough to move them. Detaching face/hair has been done by them already by the way, you can see this at Bozja. It's just a matter of doing it for all the hrothgar hair styles and face combinations.

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Its really not that Critical that Hrothgar wear hats. It would be cool if they got some gear designed/redesign some gear for the Hrothgar, but its not like its a do-or-die thing. Otherwise they would have had it done at the start no excuses. I don't think Yoshi needs to Bribe or make a case to get this done, you made the idea before (I think it was you, I could be confusing you) that us getting 1 less dungeon could be a sign of them putting more effort to get things done and made for the Races (Genders, and Headgear, hairstyles etc)
But also understand, you can't just relocate and take a bunch of workers off other projects like that for....Headgear. That would put other projects behind which would be more damaging to Squares Company as a whole, then Bara Catmen wearing hats.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

The 2nd image they look a little too lean and Frail, just going off of the image at face value.
Now that 1st Khajiit image on the other hand, would be bloody awesome if they could look that fierce.
Im not feeling the idea with horns though personally, since they are primarily Feline, it wouldnt make sense for them to have horns, not like they are Charr or anything. If the Ronso argument comes back that was only the Males.
But hey there at least are a few Horn Glamours.

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I think optional little horns on a face or two could be interesting. Ronso usually just have the one in the middle of the forehead so it's not too much like the Charr.

More Hrothgar-flavored Khajiit

https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a730323...ng6o1_1280.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I think optional little horns on a face or two could be interesting. Ronso usually just have the one in the middle of the forehead so it's not too much like the Charr.

More Hrothgar-flavored Khajiit

https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a730323...ng6o1_1280.jpg

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Oh man, Im in love with the idea of the Left one being a Hrothgar Female. I love that look on the design.
Dye the fur White and it would be perfect for The Lost: forsaking her duty as a Queen to go live as a Free Nomad.
That or like maybe a Matriarchs Royal Guard.

Personally would like to see female Hrothgar more towards Archeage's Firran.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Personally would like to see female Hrothgar more towards Archeage's Firran.

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Those are basically Miqote, so no.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Those are basically Miqote, so no.

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Right. Because Miqo'te definitely have fur, beast/pawed feet and an overall more beastly appearance. Hrothgar are basically a beast version of miqo'te if we go by your statement.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Right. Because Miqo'te definitely have fur, beast/pawed feet and an overall more beastly appearance. Hrothgar are basically a beast version of miqo'te if we go by your statement.

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Look at the face.

https://assets.frontend.gamigo.com/g...010a9c005c.png

That is not bestial at all, and would fit more with Miqote.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Look at the face.

https://assets.frontend.gamigo.com/g...010a9c005c.png

That is not bestial at all, and would fit more with Miqote.

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The female variant looks like she has some sort of birth defect.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/fa...a48faea57f.gif

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Look at the face.

https://assets.frontend.gamigo.com/g...010a9c005c.png

That is not bestial at all, and would fit more with Miqote.

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I'm talking overall appearance. Not just the face. Look at the hands, the feet, they have fur/skin patterns. They would fit. Just because they have a human figure doesn't mean its a miqo'te. Derp.

honestly, id be satisfied if they looked something along those lines. i also understand if people might think they don‘t look beasty enough in the following fanarts. but then again it‘s just preferences people have and if they ever get implemented i think SE will do a good job.

https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/funs/imgs/c/0/c03f7d88.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sGfxP07.png
https://d.facdn.net/art/sammi-doodle...shar_wip_3.png

going to search up the sources/drawers of the pictures a little bit later

It's too bad we would never get the feet or claws. Sorry we would get the claws, but they would be racial gear rather than actual claws.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's too bad we would never get the feet or claws. Sorry we would get the claws, but they would be racial gear rather than actual claws.

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Would be simple really. They could implement a hide footgear option just like headgear. Then you can show off the feets. Or glamour The Emperor's new Boots.

That moment when you realize people want to actually be animals....
Would people have preferred if hrothgar walked on all fours? Just an honest question.