If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

the only thing I'm worried about is which potentially useful skil people don't have 'on their screen' because of the demand for a whm to have swiftcast. sorry if this has been asked before, but I have no idea how the end game progression FCs are handling this. I take 8 man groups are using one whm and one sch? are both supposed to have swiftcast?

I'm thinking for example if someone stacked their skillpoints on their summoner for int, obviously they would want to use cleric stance when they play scholar. so that's already one cross skill lost for that. then a second one for swiftcast... (I'm not too familar with scholar, I'm just thinking here)

so which other skills may be useful for a whm that will not be useable if they have swiftcast? are they supposed to have both swiftcast and surecast? (I mean, surecast does seem kiiind of useless with swiftcast but I don't know how high the percentage for an interrupt is during the not-completely-instant casts in this game)

edit: sorry if none of this makes sense I'm a little insomniac and have nothing better to do than think about this game :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Moirear

Nobody reasonable is arguing that you "require" cross-class skills to play the game. My argument is that you're lazy and/or inefficient if you're not doing so, though, because come endgame, they give you huge advantages that people will absolutely want you in their party for because you're twice as useful as someone who's lacking them.

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so? plenty of ppl to play with that dont care about it as well, so it doesnt matter

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Originally Posted by Shizato

useful =/= required... no one is arguing that it is not useful, they are pointing out that its not required by healers at any point in the game

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Melee dps died, we need melee lb or we are going to wipe. So, a) do a normal res and wipe because the healer is not healing and all of us died.
Or b) directly wipe because the healer do not have swiftcast but never mind it is useful but not necessary

And cueck don't blame the melee it is not the point because if you are not able to res him are as bad as him dying

Sod the raise. Swiftcast and succor
You should dodge better.

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Originally Posted by Moirear

Again, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself one more time, the only situation where cross-class skills fundamentally matter, is endgame. Swiftcast is not just useful for correcting mistakes, but casting every spell because over time, you will be casting spells must faster.

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This is a horrible point. If I have swiftcast, it is an oh-shi button. If you're using it for any other reason, you're derping and negating the value of having it to begin with. Now you're making it a part of your rotation. Wow! You saved exactly 6 seconds of casting time through the fight, and we won so much harder because of that!!!!!!!!!111!1!!1!!!1!!!!

Sorry, nope. This does not work.

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

Melee dps died, we need melee lb or we are going to wipe. So, a) do a normal res and wipe because the healer is not healing and all of us died.
Or b) directly wipe because the healer do not have swiftcast but never mind it is useful but not necessary

And cueck don't blame the melee it is not the point because if you are not able to res him are as bad as him dying

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if dps keeps dying to avoidable dmg then replace the dps

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

Try to do it now with your dps and tanks withouts they cross class skills too and tell me :)
Also... you never used swiftcast/cure3 after a fireball in T5? It's a good moment to use it

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That is actually one of the best moments to utilise that spell. However its usually not necessary since i can precast and time it exacly when fireball happens. Not very hard with practice and when you know everything is coming. If i get careless or get conflag'd then sure i can use it, however i can go without it easily. And not sure why bringing dps and tanks i dont play these jobs and last i checked this thread was about whm.

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

Melee dps died, we need melee lb or we are going to wipe. So, a) do a normal res and wipe because the healer is not healing and all of us died.
Or b) directly wipe because the healer do not have swiftcast but never mind it is useful but not necessary

And cueck don't blame the melee it is not the point because if you are not able to res him are as bad as him dying

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Well, you win this thread .01% of the time! Well, I'm sorry, .001%, because you see, what happened here was that the tank took a huge spike, and I cast Swift/CureIII on him, and then that DPS died 10 seconds later, so I didn't have Swiftcast up. So no matter what happens, just know that according to this guy, it's always the healer's fault we wiped.

hehe! i think people are just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. well, if it works for u then thats good for u. im used to df'ing my runs so i find it very useful. if u play with a static everytime then u can get by i guess.

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Originally Posted by Jyoeru

Well, you win this thread .01% of the time! Well, I'm sorry, .001%, because you see, what happened here was that the tank took a huge spike, and I cast Swift/CureIII on him, and then that DPS died 10 seconds later, so I didn't have Swiftcast up. So no matter what happens, just know that according to this guy, it's always the healer's fault we wiped.

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Hhahaha okay yes, never mind don't use it, I will continue doing my life easier with it my runs smother and all happy