Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I wonder if it could be a neutrality thing. Like, disowning them makes them not Sharlayan citizens in some capacity, enabling them to act more freely with regards to [Unintroduced Plot Point X], without diplomatic backlash of some kind. Though in the short term, we can probably expect another gag about how Alphinaud doesn't understand money.

I'm reaching maybe, but that's all we can do for the next six months.

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Personally I'm operating on the assumption Sharlayan knows something and Fourchenault doesn't want his kids using the prestige that comes with their name to find out.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean we understand why Emet and friend did what they did. However, that doesn't make what they did right or justified. He's better off in the remembered category than being a player in the story. Might hurt the fanboy/gal train.

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It’s right and justified to them, and i mean. We can argue the moral dilemma day in and day out. But like i’ve said before, their position is either rejoin the worlds back to how they were and bring back a race that is nigh-on immortal and immune to illness, or let the sundered world continue with its weaker more frail races that die off to young age and illnesses and worry about an unstable world. It can be argued the sundering has caused and will cause more death in the long run than the rejoinings would. The fact of the matter is the sundering isn’t natural and neither are sundered beings.

My favorite theory is that Fourchenault is playing 5D chess and disowning his kids is part of his plan to insure that they'll get on the first boat to Sharlayan to tell him what's what, and in the process they end up uncovering the Forum's secret plans that he totally isn't allowed to tell them and isn't it SUCH a shame that they came here OF THEIR OWN VOLITION and-oops! They just opened the hall where we keep the Mothercrystal. Who could've seen that coming?

Is it likely to happen? Probably not. Would it be incredibly funny if it did? Oh hell yes.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Personally I'm operating on the assumption Sharlayan knows something and Fourchenault doesn't want his kids using the prestige that comes with their name to find out.

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That would be the solution with fewest assumptions, certainly. It already seems to be keeping them from coming and going freely, if Alphi's current Rising Stones lines are anything to go by. Not sure how much the Leveilleur name matters outside of Sharlayan, though, so we may not be able to grasp the full implications until our obligatory Aethernet tour of Old Sharlayan.

I do like the 5D chess potential, though.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

The game only assumes you haven't done the events YET, although there are a few dialogue changes depending on your story progression (notably, Estinien's 3 ways when you meet again in 2.55; and Thubyrgeim having I think also 3 different options: either you completed the quest Tataru is currently doing, you didn't unlock ACN, or you unlocked ACN and took the quest but haven't completed the task Tataru is doing). Outright pretending events happened without the WoL is... unprecedented.

My best guess is that, if Dalmasca will feature in Part III; we get a differing line in case the PC didn't do Bozja. Say, Fran acknowledging meeting us in Bozja and saying it was time we helped in Dalmasca if you DID complete it, or... just saying something vague like "I've been hoping you'd meet us in Dalmasca after so long." in case you didn't.

While I wouldn't mind Part III being locked behind completion of Bozja, it'd need some heavy nerfs and reworks to future-proof it, since a player could in theory get through all of Return to Ivalice in less than one day, going from rank 1 to 25 and getting all the people necessary for CLL, DR, and Dal would be... taxing...

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That is some what of a issue for Part 3 of FFT/FFXII story if they plan to allow players into it without doing Part 1 and PArt 2.

Bozja has to be liberated if they plan to progress the story into Dalmasca, rebuild Dalmasca, or continue where the Notes about Gabranth left off so the the concept of these events actually happens and certain characters end up in their planned fate within Part 3. Thus Bozja has to be liberated one way or the other.


As the result, Menenius still has to die and Lyon still needs to play his role with people thinking he killed Gabranth.

If they don't allow events of Part 1 and Part 2 playout by themselves without WoL then SE will have no choice to force players to do Part 1 and Part 2 which certain players will hate due to how Part 2 is designed to progress.

MSQ Epilogue:

I like to think the white robed lady isn't Venat, but Hydaelyn. Right before she appears we hear "HEAR.....THINK.....HEAR....THINK...." The same thing she first said to us. Maybe she's starting to get some power back. Enough to form a body?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s right and justified to them, and i mean. We can argue the moral dilemma day in and day out. But like i’ve said before, their position is either rejoin the worlds back to how they were and bring back a race that is nigh-on immortal and immune to illness, or let the sundered world continue with its weaker more frail races that die off to young age and illnesses and worry about an unstable world. It can be argued the sundering has caused and will cause more death in the long run than the rejoinings would. The fact of the matter is the sundering isn’t natural and neither are sundered beings.

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And new life will be born replacing the new death, keeping the sundered world fresh and brings in new ideas. The world having immortal beings with no newborns would become stagnant, which is what happened to the Ancients.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

And new life will be born replacing the new death, keeping the sundered world fresh and brings in new ideas. The world having immortal beings with no newborns would become stagnant, which is what happened to the Ancients.

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New life is born in the rejoined world as well. They’re nigh-on immortal. They live for a long time but not forever. It’s not what happened to the Ancients at all, idk where you’re getting that idea. They had newborns just like anyone else. This is literally stated by many npcs in Amaurot lmao.

I know that some folks really want there to be some disastrous downside to the Ancients' world or their way of life but, to be frank... between Emet's Selch's illusory Amaurot and the short stories set during that era, nothing has ever been shown to even suggest this is the case. The worst thing anyone can say about them is that, despite being nigh-immortal demigods in their own right, the Ancients were still every bit as human as their successors races.

They weren't creatively sterile—at least two sidequests in Amaurot were dedicated to showing their efforts to create, along with the entirety of two level 80 dungeons (Akadaemia Anyder and Anamnesis Anyder). They weren't infertile, either—they mistake the WoL and friends for children upon our arrival to Amaurot, something that wouldn't make much sense if they didn't know what a child was or couldn't have them. Hell, one of the most popular takes on Elidibus's character is that he was a literal child (he's never called as such, but that scene near the end of 5.3 does suggest the possibility). They weren't a cult of evil conformists who reacted to any display of individuality with murder or brainwashing. And yes, I have seen that take before and it's as ludicrous as it sounds.

Is it really that hard to accept that—whatever nefarious things the Ascians are up to now—the people they once were didn't deserve to be driven to extinction?

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Is it really that hard to accept that—whatever nefarious things the Ascians are up to now—the people they once were didn't deserve to be driven to extinction?

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It's not hard to accept it. My only question is...what was the rest of the world like? Right now we've only really seen the "Sharlayan" of the old world. Judging from the Tales from the Shadow story that mentioned Azem and the grapes, odds are there were quite a few places in the world that were much like the smaller town/village stuff we see currently in FFXIV. Azem wouldn't just prevent a volcano from erupting just for grapes...there were lives on that island at stake. And considering they were in actual danger and didn't just create something for themselves to live on that would protect against the volcano, I have a sneaking suspicion that Creation magic was far rarer or weaker outside Amaurot than we are led to believe.