Eureka CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions thread - no negativity

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Originally Posted by Remedi

That's only part of the reason.
There was a complaint from the raiding community that diadem was invalidating everything about savage raiding

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There should always be a path for players who don't raid to get a similar level of gear. Raid community is a tiny portion of the overall playerbase, catering only to them is financial suicide. (and I am a raider, I just understand this fact.)

And that path is tome farming and, depending on the difficulty, Extreme Primals.

Diadem gear, being RNG and all that, had a chance of giving you gear that could have stats matching/surpassing Savage gear and due to how difficult Gordios was at the time... probably made some raiders wonder what the point of Savage was at that point. "Why do this when we can get gear that can potentially be better than what we get in Savage?"

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Originally Posted by hijifa

repost from another thread but..

eureka is fine.. they gotta flesh it out way more and tone down the grind for casual players and add complexity and depth for midcore/hardcore players . and when i say they "gotta" i mean they should've... like they should know that players aren't dumb.. after playing some content for some amount of time people can learn, so make things harder as you progress.. my suggestions of what could be added :-

1. elite mobs

2. mix elemental monsters or dual/triple elemental monsters

3. separate elemental attack, and def, so mobs can have fire defence and wind attack for example (higher level mobs).

4. eureka only gear, set bonuses etc.. for example fire armor will add resistance to fire, but lower resistance to water, could even have a 6 element set (wear 1 of each element, gives you a set bonus to inc all element def) (an option for some that want to be jack of all trades master of none)

5. monsters less spread out, like not all the wind monsters are clumping together all the time, rn its easy to never switch your board

6. eureka only spells, like there could be really OP spells, or useful spells. for example casters can get role action that lets them switch the element of monsters for limited time(useful for said mix elemental monsters or elite mobs)

7. eureka progression. just getting more slots on the materia board doesn't feel good at all. players could learn passive traits for example which they put skill points into. elemental resist - base resistance up, elemental affinity - base elemental attack up, elemental control - remove negative effects of armor, status resist up trait, chance to inflict status resists up etc.. these will all have their own levels 1-5 so you cant max all..

8. weather affecting elements

9. eureka hunts(basically mvp monsters)(in addition to notorious monsters), killing quests, leves, gathering quests?(yes they're gonna be quite hard cause it might be difficult to reach a spot alone, so you probably need a party), minigames..

some extras are like making healers' healing element based, so a fire affinity healer healing a fire armor tank is 150% healing, water armor tank 50%

maybe some monsters have hidden element, as in the element is not shown so players should do some trial and error to find out

status elements emphasis, since its the overworld we can stun, sleep etc things, they could make monsters designed more OP, like a fire monster casting a water spell, if your tank is on full fire defence its gonna hurt alot so you can stun/silence.

they can also play with elements and statuses, like lightning give % chance to statis, fire % to burn etc.. so you might want to statis a mob (traits to increase chance of statis, burn, etc)

of course all of my suggestion would only come into play in the later levels, like 10+ where players already got familiar with the basics. also those that just wanna get the relic should safely be able to without going into that complexity if they don't want to. they could have easily make it casual enough so that anyone can go in and get their relic, but deep enough to make it interesting. its 100% separate from the outside world, with its own leveling system, so they could've experimented with literally anything inside there, like creating a game within a game.

the old school getting skill points, upgrading skills (but you'll never max all the skills or traits so you gotta choose), levelling traits, skill traits, item traits, stat points etc, hits home with many players including myself.. they were going for the old school MMO feel, so things like this would've been fun to go through.. games that come to mind are ragnarok.. i feel like right now, they are already trying to shake up their formula, which is good, but the things they are trying are still too safe. the potential of this content is huge, and something they could've experimented on. i think theres a major development psychology issue.. the content shouldn't be there just to get the reward, the content should be fun enough to play on its own regardless of reward.. the next time you enter eureka or any content, ask yourself, if there was no reward, would i do this?

current content has ALOT of potential, and alot of things have been done right, like the map, the exploration aspect, monsters looks.. grind is debatable, people complain because its boring, if the content was fun, i don't think people would mind the grind so much. ideally the leveling should be rescaled to be more top heavy, so you level up fast at the start and feel like you done alot of good progress in 2-4 hours, then things ramp up in difficulty from there.

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All of these are wonderful ideas, and things I can only hope they consider at some point. For now I'm hoping that at least the fatal flaws of the content are fixed or patched, like the overcrowding per instance, low or mid level people still getting enough XP from high level NMs to level up, making it so the zerg train happens, imbalance of rewards between chain-mobbing and NM hunting, and worst of all, level differences between party members making it impossible to contribute anything for lower lvl friends. What you said about the low levels taking forever to climb through is also 500% true. The low levels should be quick enough that progress doesn't feel tedious upfront, and the higher levels challenging...

Once that is fixed, I would really love if they actually started experimenting with the magia board, with different Trait and equipment options to be made Eureka-exclusive, and other things you mentioned.

Don't think it will happen, tho :')

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

There should always be a path for players who don't raid to get a similar level of gear. Raid community is a tiny portion of the overall playerbase, catering only to them is financial suicide. (and I am a raider, I just understand this fact.)

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Technically speaking tomestones were to be the luck barrier to raid RNG and the path for non raiders to get gear, now they are only the non raider gear because of raid tomes beign essentially the bad luck protection

Frakly speaking diadem should've been the non needing uncapped tomestones/dungeons way to get to endgame, but the flopped it by making it requiring the absurdity of ilvl 179 invalidating 2 tier of rewards and both easy and normal diadem.
Imho I'll insist that what really killed diadem 1 and 2 is them not showing any support for it, Eureka's fate will be linked to post-launch support too, because if the only thing avaible from it will be relics by next week ppl will have all of them and they won't have anymore reason to go there.
Unless they fancy NM monsters that is and since they scaling is more or less confirmed there might be a few ppl doing but I don't know

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Eureka's fate will be linked to post-launch support too, because if the only thing avaible from it will be relics by next week ppl will have all of them and they won't have anymore reason to go there.
Unless they fancy NM monsters that is and since they scaling is more or less confirmed there might be a few ppl doing but I don't know

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I definitely won't have all relics finished by next week. If I'm lucky I'll have ONE finished by next week. not everyone grinds day and night there.

Three words: Party Level Sync.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I definitely won't have all relics finished by next week. If I'm lucky I'll have ONE finished by next week. not everyone grinds day and night there.

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Neither am I, I'm just saying that once you are done with the relics you want there won't be any more reasons for you to be there that is a fact

@Tridus: AFter some thoughts I don't really want that, I'd rather have the possibility of power levelling my friends to my level than rather let them simply endure what I did

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Neither am I, I'm just saying that once you are done with the relics you want there won't be any more reasons for you to be there that is a fact

@Tridus: AFter some thoughts I don't really want that, I'd rather have the possibility of power levelling my friends to my level than rather let them simply endure what I did

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It's a pretty low effort way to get grade 6 materia's if you're really stingy about buying them.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

It's a pretty low effort way to get grade 6 materia's if you're really stingy about buying them.

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Mh I suppose, there also the fact that you can get BIS for ultimate if you care or get different gears from tanks if you care about that too

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

There should always be a path for players who don't raid to get a similar level of gear. Raid community is a tiny portion of the overall playerbase, catering only to them is financial suicide. (and I am a raider, I just understand this fact.)

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Do you believe there should be an alternative raiding path to relic weapons?