Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by DuskTS

I thought this would have been about people wanting to do more actual healing in content. Spamming holy all day because a regen tick suffices for healing expert dungeons starts to get a little stale. Final boss of The Vault during Early Access, now that was some fun healing.
I think they tried this with a couple of mobs in the latest experts (random targeted dmg, unavoidable aoe, mini-tankbusters) but we're too overgeared for it to matter.

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The irony with the Vault is that it requires healers to be a bit more on the ball and I'd say 60% of the times I go into the vault as DPS or Tank, our healer struggles so much. And I guess becauase many healers are so used to a much more relaxed pase of healing and being able to idle a lot, when actually more intense healing comes up, it's too much for them.

While this fight does require all party members to be on the ball mechanics wise. I've seen tanks and DPS exact the fight perfectly and the healer struggle to keep healing up during AOE dmg or tank taking dmg.

I've never had issue DPSing as a healer in that fight and find the damage coming out pretty fun to deal with - but not so much that limits me to a heal only role. Even with messy tanks and DPS.

the mentality of healer have to DPS is toxicating
like the mentality of Tank have to put up DPS for dropping tank stance
but it is dev for their lazy and flaw decide and higher end dun/raid to be blame
for me the rule is simple, you queue as Tank class, your duty will be holding aggro, reducing dmg taken and minimize team dmg (i.e. facing of boss), I dont care how many DPS a tank doing as long as he/she is doing his/her role
same go for other role, as a Healer, the job is to keep everyone alive and remove debuff, I dont care his/her DPS eiter
and for DPS, it is rather simple, give as much DPS as possible while staying alive an dodge AOE/mechanics

i dont mind tank or healer doing DPS as long as they do their basic role right, and no one can force me to dps if i dont feel the situation is safe for me to do so
and i dont mind DPS heal or giving utility like regenerating TP/MP, as their Role is DPS rather than support even MCH and BRD is more a support/DPS hybrid

but play style is not the right choice of word i think
healer job is to heal, and tank job is to take aggro hold the boss, their DPS is just a bonus not duty
as DPS their job is DPS so those ICE Mage stuff is just not doing their Duty rather than a play style

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

i dont mind tank or healer doing DPS as long as they do their basic role right

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which is almost everytime

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Originally Posted by Llus

Again, I refer you to your OP. The entirety of your post can be summed up as follows: "Since there are going to be more DPS classes to choose from, can I be a heal-only healer?" And to sum up the responses: Absolutely, but don't expect people to carry you through ANY content. When you are learning content, you can expect people to make allowances; but if you are spending the majority of the time simply overhealing to look busy or standing around doing nothing expect people to get upset about it. If you chose to be a healer because you thought it would be an easy and lazy job; you chose the wrong job.

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Carry? You are wrong again a healer that dpses is carrying the dps not the other way round and this is factual, not illusionary, and wanting to enjoy healing is a valid reason not to want to dps. It is also debateable that healing is an easy job, because some players cant or dont like healing.

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Originally Posted by CafPow

which is almost everytime

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i have too many bad memory with Tank cant hold aggro without tank stance
Healer doing DPS and let me dying slower situation
and what most amusing are, those are usually 60s healer or tank doing below 50s dun

as i said in other post, tank or healer doing DPS should never be a requirement but bonus
I do feel very boring when the tank is superior gear giving me alot of free time, in that case i feel safe to DPS and will do so, but i wont force healer or tank in my party to do the same

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

I feel like everything in this thread, both constructive criticism or insults, has been repeated over and over again and OP counters with the same arguments over and over again... I don't even know what the point of this thread is anymore :D

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Maybe, that is because some see a problem for themselves and other people, and some dont, those that dont see the problem want to sweep it under the carpet and carry on how they are, but the ones that do see the problem, as in countless posts, will continue to ask about it, this will not go away. To answer your question below, The question was posted originally in this thread, and no of course I dont expect everyone to agree but this is feedback ok? And to others like bourne above that insinuate I want less work please read my posts. You may have the time to dps others may feel they havent, tank starts dying immediatel in some encounters

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Maybe, that is because some see a problem for themselves and other people, and some dont, those that dont see the problem want to sweep it under the carpet and carry on how they are, but the ones that do see the problem, as in countless posts, will continue to ask about it, this will not go away.

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Ask for WHAT? What is it that you want to be done on this subject?

You can't possibly expect everyone to share your opinion?

Thank you for all your comments, I didnt expect many here to agree for various reasons, some of the most skilled of you like to consider yourseves, 'very skilled' cos you can do both roles easily 'applauds' others like dpsing, some get bored if they dont, some like to help the group, some do because they may get kicked if they dont, some like the challenge and some find it difficult. Pretty much sums it up I think. This is fine but the ones that i insinuate idleness, or are forcing others to do it are the ones that I am most concerned about, because as I have said before these demands and expectations cause much misunderstanding In actual game play, The people that like to control other people and prevent others from enjoying their game experience, In my opinion are the ones that should not have a free reign on ordering how others play. In this thread, I have noticed that when someone makes a derrogatory comment some of you all join in, please examine your motives for doing so.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

too many words.

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generally
i just expect ppl to do their job in Duty Finder, I dont mind getting wipe 1 or 2, I mean DF is a group of complete random strangers, as long as ppl taking advices
e.g. a tank drawing too much, way over I could keep up the heal, then I would ask the tank to draw less, and if I m dps, i usually set my expectation the lowest, and tank drawing big pool of trash or Tank/Heal doing DPS i consider a bonus
as a Healer I will see how the tank do and how our DPS do at dodging AOE, I will DPS if I feel comfortable, but I will not force tank to drop tank stance and do more DPS, I would force Healer to do Dmg as a DPS in DF


to sum up, I dont think heal and tank should be force to do dmg in DF, unless you are talking about alexander creator savage or high end Extreme primal which the dev are so lazy they think putting DPS check is a good mechanics
and in some case may be Healer DPS will ease the pressure in certain situation like Amdapor Keep (Hard) final boss or The Aery, Nidhogg Sable Price then sure, i think it is fine to ask Healer to dmg to ease help off abit
but overall, I dont think tank to drop tank stance or healer to dmg should not be forced in DF

PF, I usually see how party generally agree to, if the party want me to DPS while heal, i will try to do it, if not then they could find another healer who is more capable of doing it

also how the team composition affect my decision too, e.g. doing a 24/8 ppl run, if i m AST and the 2nd healer is SCH, I will be focusing on heal and let SCH do more on Dmg, as I have better group heal and I have to conserve Mana for roomwide AOE like Hellwind in Wiping City of Mhach.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

generally
i just expect ppl to do their job in Duty Finder, I dont mind getting wipe 1 or 2, I mean D




PF, I usually

also how the team composition affect my decision too, e.g. doing a 24/8 ppl run, if i m AST and the 2nd healer is SCH, I will be focusing on heal and let SCH do more on Dmg, as I have better group heal and I have to conserve Mana for roomwide AOE like Hellwind in Wiping City of Mhach.

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For sure and I agree, and I am pretty much the same view. I always do whatever I can. and would have liked healing dps to remain optioanal according to what healer thinks is best, but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way. You say you would want to be replaced if you cant dps? Something wrong there but Ill let people work it out.