Lore Book Revelations

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Originally Posted by Naria

Just out of curiosity would you mind giving me the quote on that? My book is still in the mail, but from the bits that I've read Haurchefant "served house Fortemps" for eleven years and I thought I also read his rescuing of Francel is part of what contributed to him earning knighthood. Twenty-eight minus eleven is seventeen so I'd like to know which bit exactly I've got wrong. :)

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Fifteen...sixteen years now,Francel reflected. A boy of six summers, yet nevertheless old enough to assume his social responsibilities.

A silver-haired boy twice his agewas swinging a wooden sword with reckless abandon, his bare chest glistening with sweat in the moonlight.

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The picture right below the second paragraph quoted essentially illustrates that scene. 6*2=12.

Also, seconding what others have said. The twins are at that point in physical maturity where they can get away with being a 'physical age' of up to 14/15, especially in Alphinaud's case (my own younger brother didn't hit his growth spurt until he was around 15, I was taller then him for the longest time and I'm only 5'3). Combined with the slower growth of Elezen, by my own rough calculations, at least two years, possibly more, would have to be confirmed to pass in-game to justify a model change for the twins to reflect their growth.

I don't see that happening. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Quor

I'm not sure if that's just coincidence or not, given that each Calamity was supposedly a sign of a shard rejoining

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Fishing this completely out-of-context because it brings up a pretty critical question - does a Calamity at the Source cause a Shard to Rejoin or does a Shard Rejoining cause a Calamity at the Source? How deeply are we intertwined?

(My guess, purely from the "To Be Continued" feeling of the Minifilia and WoD plot-threads, is that it's going to turn out to be something of a 50/50 deal and that the crisis needs to resolved successfully in both Source and Shard to avoid the Calamity/Rejoining from happening.)

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Originally Posted by Alisa180

The picture right below the second paragraph quoted essentially illustrates that scene. 6*2=12.

Also, seconding what others have said. The twins are at that point in physical maturity where they can get away with being a 'physical age' of up to 14/15, especially in Alphinaud's case (my own younger brother didn't hit his growth spurt until he was around 15, I was taller then him for the longest time and I'm only 5'3). Combined with the slower growth of Elezen, by my own rough calculations, at least two years, possibly more, would have to be confirmed to pass in-game to justify a model change for the twins to reflect their growth.

I don't see that happening. Ever.

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I've been calculating Elezen aging at 75% the rate of humans (I was wondering the maximum amount of years in-game I could reasonably suspend disbelief that the twins had not aged) so it is nice to see that others are coming up with similar numbers. I was actually surprised when Alphinaud and Alisaise were announced for ARR because by having two prepubescent main characters SE was setting an upper limit to the amount of time you can reasonably suspend disbelief has passed. I was especially surprised since the Circle of Knowing having not visibly aged in fifteen years in 1.0 was causing all sorts of speculation. It is not too strange right now, but if the game gets to 7.0 is will seem strange that the twins haven't aged at all.

picked up my copy earlier today. I wasn't too surprised to read that there were already multiple waves of Hyur immigration during the 5th Astral era, but I honestly didn't expect them to also have actually founded Amdapor. Well, that defenitely answers the question of "why are the corpses we fight in Amdapor city HM/Mhach Hyur sized?"
It also debunks the theory some had that Diablos was summoned by the Amdapori themselves in some desperate act of fight fire with fire

My Encyclopedia just arrived. I'll try to give it a full read over the weekend. It's so nice. I'm afraid to scratch the cover.

Considering Aliasie just got her redesign, I doubt that said growth spurt will happen soon, but 16-18 years old seems reasonable for their ages at this point.

Thank you for the thorough answers!


I think for said growth to occur without messing with us, a substantial time skip, or an expansion with the twins being absent, would be required.

(Total aside, but I'm genuinely worried about Alphi.... If Aliasie is with us now, and Alphi has grown so much... What will they do to push him aside? I can't deal with losing my companioms much more!)

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

(Total aside, but I'm genuinely worried about Alphi.... If Aliasie is with us now, and Alphi has grown so much... What will they do to push him aside? I can't deal with losing my companioms much more!)

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I feel like he's going to skip the Stormblood action and act as the (unofficial) Scion leader for a bit, hanging around in the Rising Stones in Minfilia's place, and Alisae will be the one traveling with us.

yea, i'm just trying to figure out the twins as adults. i guess that's what all parents feel when they compare their kids' kid pictures and adult pictures

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Fishing this completely out-of-context because it brings up a pretty critical question - does a Calamity at the Source cause a Shard to Rejoin or does a Shard Rejoining cause a Calamity at the Source? How deeply are we intertwined?

(My guess, purely from the "To Be Continued" feeling of the Minifilia and WoD plot-threads, is that it's going to turn out to be something of a 50/50 deal and that the crisis needs to resolved successfully in both Source and Shard to avoid the Calamity/Rejoining from happening.)

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Well, everything we know points towards the former - a Calamity causes a Rejoining with one of the shards, basically stressing the Source to the point where it *has* to re-absorb one of its errant reflections. If enough Shards are Rejoined, Zodiark can be re-summoned, hence why Ascians are always trying to bring about Calamities. Otherwise, the Shards remain separated, so there's no vice-versa.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I feel like he's going to skip the Stormblood action and act as the (unofficial) Scion leader for a bit, hanging around in the Rising Stones in Minfilia's place, and Alisae will be the one traveling with us.

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I'd be totally fine with that.