Goodbye strength tanks. Let us never be forgotten.

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

are they REALLY going away? If you do not lose much attk from switching over to str from Vit- I will take the strength over that awesome parry and skill speed.
The only people who really win are the whiney healers (who are too lazy to dps themselves) and bad tanks dont look as bad now.

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To me, they look as bad as usual. What are they gonna last, a couple more hits since they don't even know how to use CD's? Nothing changed when they went full VIT before, nothing is gonna change now because what they did is not how VIT, or Parry, mind you, works, it was just a straight nerf to STR.

So everyone has cried this will hurt dps( even tho pally got a nice buff to its skills :D about dam time)

So does this hurt tanks? Imo that 30-49 vit only really translates to about 1200-1600 hp total for Paladin and Dark Knight, while War benefits more with defiance they only gain around 2-3k more hp...

So does this really do much? Or am i mistaken on the stat changes and have they added even more vit to Tank gear, cause as im seeing it only the stats you put in will need to now go into Vit the gear stats havnt changed.

So i see some WARS now doing 3k Fell Cleave. I think that is pretty much RIP in damage lol

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Originally Posted by Remus

So i see some WARS now doing 3k Fell Cleave. I think that is pretty much RIP in damage lol

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Well from a friend who mains a war he even said a War that out dps the DPS was pretty stupid idea tbh. Even dps that is geared could be out dps by a war with lucky crits. My only concern is Vit doesnt provide much hp or even any def for each Stat point so i seems very redundant when compared to Stre.

Not only that War was making Pally and even Dark knight look obsolete due to the insane dps it could put out, how many Dark knights do u see for end game content...barely any.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

So everyone has cried this will hurt dps( even tho pally got a nice buff to its skills :D about dam time)

So does this hurt tanks? Imo that 30-49 vit only really translates to about 1200-1600 hp total for Paladin and Dark Knight, while War benefits more with defiance they only gain around 2-3k more hp...

So does this really do much? Or am i mistaken on the stat changes and have they added even more vit to Tank gear, cause as im seeing it only the stats you put in will need to now go into Vit the gear stats havnt changed.

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Guess I'm confused a bit, most tanks were runnign melds or some sort of strength on the right side accessoreies so its a fair bit more than 20-49 vit increase. The HP is nice, but the nerfs to damage are much bigger than I believe people were expecting based on the interviews with Yoshi-P that had come out. So the swap to straight vit will yield a higher HP pool and equivalent attack to str accessories on the right side.... basically. With melds basically being thrown out then that makes those a non-competitor.

This all changes though because tanks are still gonna want to avoid parry, and will probably use other gears to avoid that secondary since now the stat weights for secondary stats have effectively doubled.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Well from a friend who mains a war he even said a War that out dps the DPS was pretty stupid idea tbh. Even dps that is geared could be out dps by a war with lucky crits. My only concern is Vit doesnt provide much hp or even any def for each Stat point so i seems very redundant when compared to Stre.

Not only that War was making Pally and even Dark knight look obsolete due to the insane dps it could put out, how many Dark knights do u see for end game content...barely any.

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A decently geared WAR will be around 26-27 k HP in defiance now. To be fair though, the only DPS a WAR outdid even before the nerf was a DPS that didn't know his job well.

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

I decently geared WAR will be around 26-27 k HP in defiance now. To be fair though, the only DPS a WAR outdid even before the nerf was a DPS that didn't know his job well.

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And with this /thread pretty much. Why? Blame the dps doing a bad job on their class. It's awful a dps did less than a tank.

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Originally Posted by Remus

So i see some WARS now doing 3k Fell Cleave. I think that is pretty much RIP in damage lol

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Turned off flying text, no more nasty flying numbers to tell me how low my dps is. I'll just dps when i can, hope it helps, and keep waving my pretty axe in enemies faces xD

After a day of doing duty finder as a WHM and observing how the tanks are doing, I do have one thing to say.

The new tanks have so much HP/take so much less damage before you have to heal them that healers no longer have any excuse to not switch on Cleric Stance and start joining in the DPS as well. Because I found so much downtime to DPS in the new dungeons compared to before. A Divine Seal'd Regen is enough for almost every pull in the new dungeons. Asylum can be tossed out for larger pulls.

Although it also feels like my attacks are missing a lot more often than before too...

I gained a paltry 34 attack power from my previous 799 with full vit accessories at the expense of over 200 attack power using slaying accessories since the patch. "A little less" damage is an understatement for anyone who knows how to juggle defensive cooldowns with Grit off on familiar boss battles.