Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

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Originally Posted by KeyboardCowboy

After reading all the replies in this thread and a few other ones I feel bad for my healer brothers who have wasted time leveling a sub-par healer too 60 and are now trying to defend the new class with justifications of being a "support" job when in fact they are just a sub-par job with a lack of decent healing cool downs and rng buffs that arnt that great and propably won't be up when needed. I truly am sorry for your loss and feel bad for the fate/dungeon grind you have ahead of you while leveling one of the good healing jobs. If you need someone to talk to for support please don't hesitate to send me a /tell in game

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It's not a waste of time to play something you enjoy. AST may not be up to the raw healing standards of the other classes as it is, and I agree, its Draw mechanic doesn't always help (some cases are literal wasted draws, where I'd just as soon let the card fall off than cast it), but it's fun for me. When raids are released and AST's abilility (or lack thereof) to deal with heal checks becomes readily apparent, the community is going look to SE for help if the job is truly a lost cause.

Considering that it's the first addition of a new healing class that's trying to break into a very established paradigm of WHM/SCH, it's not surprising that balancing it was probably very challenging. Players are going to spend hours and hours toying with the class, trying to push it to its limits. It will take time to see exactly where AST stands. It's easy to say that AST is bad simply because it has lower potency heals and no way to buff its own healing. It's not as easy to say why AST is good, which means there's a distinct dynamic that some are missing, or it needs some help. SE will have to see this, because it is a flashy class in a popularity contest. If it's not up to snuff, there's going to be a lot of discontent in the ranks. Classes have been adjusted quite fairly through 2.0, and we ended with largely a very balanced pool of jobs. We can only hope for the same level playing field in the time coming, otherwise you really will see AST jumping ship for serious content, which would be a right shame.

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Originally Posted by RoseM

This is not true. I used Selene when I first clear T4, T7, T8, T9(first half), T11, T12(first half), T13(first half).

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But you are probably on ts with a good whm by your side. I'm talking your typical sch.

This thread should be directed at the Tanks and DPS as they are the ones who are directly affected by Astros heals n buffs or lack thereof. Seems like all we have here are main'd healers bitching n moaning. If a Tank proclaims "I have no problem with their heals." and a DPS says "I love the buffs, actually." Will the butthurt end? No? K. Go back to your WHM and Selene then. If you feel the urge still, I think the Tank forums are comparing the DRK to the WAR and Pally. Maybe you can rage there instead.

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Originally Posted by Arcana

I'll try to complete your text^^;

WHM: Burst Healer.
SCH: Mitigation-Support Healer.: Sacred Soil, E4E, SS 3%, 20% magic defense, cure potency 20%, etc... :3
AST: Support Healer(?)

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I have all 3 healers and I have main SCH for 2 years.
AST gives buffs to actually effect your combative skills.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

This thread should be directed at the Tanks and DPS as they are the ones who are directly affected by Astros heals n buffs or lack thereof. Seems like all we have here are main'd healers bitching n moaning. If a Tank proclaims "I have no problem with their heals." and a DPS says "I love the buffs, actually." Will the butthurt end? No? K. Go back to your WHM and Selene then. If you feel the urge still, I think the Tank forums are comparing the DRK to the WAR and Pally. Maybe you can rage there instead.

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Or you know, let people express how they feel. In the end SE will make the final decision to tweak things and I hope they do.
It's a forum, we are allowed to discuss.

I play all three healers and here are my first impressions so far.

To begin with, the proc system "Enhanced Benefic II" needs to be reworked. Its completely useless. It does literally nothing except make Benefic II instant cast, which if you were already casting or just cast any spell to begin with (AKA 90% of the situations in any content) you're already working around the gcd which lines up pretty well with cast times like these. So making it instant cast while we stand around for the GCD is completely useless OTHER than the initial cast. Which doesn't usually happen with how little AST potencies are, chances are you're spamming spells just to keep everyone alive, so you're working around a GCD 24/7 regardless if its instant cast or not, because you're still waiting, whether its for the cast time of benefic II or the gcd. Comon square, you should know your own games systems -_-.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

This thread should be directed at the Tanks and DPS as they are the ones who are directly affected by Astros heals n buffs or lack thereof. Seems like all we have here are main'd healers bitching n moaning. If a Tank proclaims "I have no problem with their heals." and a DPS says "I love the buffs, actually." Will the butthurt end? No? K. Go back to your WHM and Selene then. If you feel the urge still, I think the Tank forums are comparing the DRK to the WAR and Pally. Maybe you can rage there instead.

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DRk 58 Tank here. I had many moments of "oh shit" with WHM and some Wipes with him too. Lesser on the SCH. But not a single wipe or death since Heavensward Release with AST. And im not a a "Pro"-Tank.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

But you are probably on ts with a good whm by your side. I'm talking your typical sch.

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Yes. But what are u trying to prove? War clears fight with a good pld, DPS clears fight with other good dps.. When you are doing cutting-edge contents everyone in your party should be "good", including yourself.

All of our skills from 50-60 except Time Dilation and maybe Synastry are gimmicks. None of them help AST with their job (Which should be healing) whatsoever. Time Dilation is pretty good, I wish the cool down on that was lower, but like all AST abilities there's something REALLY stupid about it. In this case its that it cannot be used on YOURSELF to buff your own buffs. I guess this makes sense from a coding standpoint because this ability affects any of your buffs on anyone so technically since you can buff yourself with some cooldowns you could extend them by targeting yourself. If that wasnt bad enough it reduced your magical potency by 25! Lol. Essentailly you are gimping yourself when you turn this on, with our already low healing potencies. Thats Lightspeed in a nutshell, gimping yourself. So essentially we can't time Dilate our self, and we probably dont want to Lightspeed ourself.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

DRk 58 Tank here. I had many moments of "oh shit" with WHM and some Wipes with him too. Lesser on the SCH. But not a single wipe or death since Heavensward Release with AST. And im not a a "Pro"-Tank.

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Then you had a bad WHM, WHM has much higher healing capabilities than the AST does.


A Good AST is better than a poor WHM.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Astro can heal better aoe than sch yes, have you even played the job yet?

Sch has one aoe strong burst then its on CD and you gotta rely on shitty ass succor spam or hope you have a whm helping. Astro has all the same ability's as whm... So yup.

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AST doesn't have Divine Seal or Presence of Mind. It's AoE heals are good, don't get me wrong, but WHM has a way to make theirs even better, without consuming MP. However, I too have seen a lot of Eos use in progression content, it makes for more forgiving recovery, and I think the HoT power between them and AST would work well together. If the group isn't constantly failing to DPS checks and doesn't need help pushing a phase, there's no reason to jeopardize failing heal checks while learning content for buffs where AST can buff. Then, once the party becomes familiar with the battle, people gradually start to overgear it, and Selene becomes more readily viable, resulting in a buffing storm from both AST and SCH.