Scholar Healing Guide

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Originally Posted by KiraVaela

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Yeah, playing with different people leads to different experiences for sure. :P I can see your logic in there, heh.

Ifrit has very sporadic spike damage so as long as you are prepared for that, you even have some time for ruin spamming. I generally save my stacks a bit more towards the end of my Aether cycles there (eg. having 2 stacks left at 15 secs to Aetherflow being up) compared to my usual more 'even-out' distribution of Aether during the 60s period of time, because those sporadic back to back incinerates can be a bit brutal - any excess stack can be ED'd or Soiled..

Pretty much how it goes for me is that I full on DPS in cleric's when a tank is at 0 or 1 stacks, up to when they get the 2nd stack, at which point I switch out of cleric's and then heal and get ready for that next healer swap. The stacks on the tank appear like 2 seconds before the actual incinerate is being cast, so you can pretty much swap out of cleric's and start healing when you see a stack pop up but before Ifrit has even done an incinerate - then even lustrate if need be as the heal lands. But usually, Regen on MT and manual 100% embrace up-time is pretty much enough for 0-1 stacks while you DPS, especially if the tank stoneskins themselves at times.

Just do the DPSing little by little to be comfortable, as it is likely not needed with a good group, but with subpar DPS - it can patch up some people who underperform. You will always have the time to dot up Ifrit when he turns around to do howls, as he does nothing to the tank then. Ruin 2 also helps because he can be blinded and thus he can miss an Incinerate. I am sure you know most of this if not all, so I am just pretty much typing this out of boredom at work.

Thanks to yourself too, maybe I'll see you on Phoenix later. :P

Hello! Im back again, and I made some minor updates to the guide. I will probably review and update it a bit again tomorrow, Im rather tired right now, also added an opening that this is primarily a beginner's guide now.

I have a suggestion for your macro section. I have found it very helpful to create macros for all my enemy targeting abilities (attacks, virus, bane, etc) to do target or target's target. That way, you can keep the tank targeted and have your attacks hit whoever he is hitting without having to switch targets, and you can also target enemies normally. It's a great setup for beginners.

Example:
/macroicon "Ruin"
/ac "Ruin" <t>
/ac "Ruin" <tt>

Unfortunately, similar macros do not work as intended for healing. If you are on console like me, you gotta target your healing the old fashioned way. For PC, there are mouse over macros that sound very useful.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

I have a suggestion for your macro section. I have found it very helpful to create macros for all my enemy targeting abilities (attacks, virus, bane, etc) to do target or target's target. That way, you can keep the tank targeted and have your attacks hit whoever he is hitting without having to switch targets, and you can also target enemies normally. It's a great setup for beginners.

Example:
/macroicon "Ruin"
/ac "Ruin" <t>
/ac "Ruin" <tt>

Unfortunately, similar macros do not work as intended for healing. If you are on console like me, you gotta target your healing the old fashioned way. For PC, there are mouse over macros that sound very useful.

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I'm tinkering with adding embrace onto my dps macros like this one to fill in any gaps while casting. You could always prompt another macro with embrace attached while charging a dot, but it seems to work so far.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

I have a suggestion for your macro section. I have found it very helpful to create macros for all my enemy targeting abilities (attacks, virus, bane, etc) to do target or target's target. That way, you can keep the tank targeted and have your attacks hit whoever he is hitting without having to switch targets, and you can also target enemies normally. It's a great setup for beginners.

Example:
/macroicon "Ruin"
/ac "Ruin" <t>
/ac "Ruin" <tt>

Unfortunately, similar macros do not work as intended for healing. If you are on console like me, you gotta target your healing the old fashioned way. For PC, there are mouse over macros that sound very useful.

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I'm not console but I do use a gamepad so I know what you mean. I never had targetting issues but I'll include this since I imagine it will still be useful for a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by Plainview

I'm tinkering with adding embrace onto my dps macros like this one to fill in any gaps while casting. You could always prompt another macro with embrace attached while charging a dot, but it seems to work so far.

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I personally prefer to have a separate macro for embrace, but keying embrace to everything is fairly popular. If you do it, know that it will not queue up embrace. If the 3 second cool down is not up, then embrace will not go off. To create a ghetto way of queuing, I put a couple more casts with 1 second waits on my embrace macro, so that part of the macro would look like:

/pac "Embrace"
/wait
/pac "Embrace"
/wait
/pac "Embrace"

That is a good tip giantslayer, I'll add it in.

I've also updated the OP with a little personal information just because it only took a few hours for someone to ignore the 'beginner's' part of this guide

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

I personally prefer to have a separate macro for embrace, but keying embrace to everything is fairly popular. If you do it, know that it will not queue up embrace. If the 3 second cool down is not up, then embrace will not go off. To create a ghetto way of queuing, I put a couple more casts with 1 second waits on my embrace macro, so that part of the macro would look like:

/pac "Embrace"
/wait
/pac "Embrace"
/wait
/pac "Embrace"

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I actually noticed this very thing. I'm still leveling SCH in 40's, so I wasn't sure if this was useful or not. Thanks for the tip.

Question for OP:

Some recent theorycrafting data (not on this forum, obviously) suggests that Selene's buffs only give the party about a 1.8~2.0% DPS boost. That's with perfect buff uptime, which having Selene on Obey is going to be hard to do.

Others will claim anywhere from a 3% to 8% dps boost, but I haven't seen such claims backed by any data.

With a DPS boost of <= 2.0%... Do you still think Selene is worth it endgame, particularly giving up the ability to manually cast/precast embrace?

I use Embrace macros for Adlo and Physick (handy also because they double as simple Embrace hotkeys when you interrupt your own cast and want to split heal). However, I generally prefer the fairy to be independent while I DPS rather than being forced to heal a specific target, even if the tank is usually a safe bet. If I want to keep the tank topped off, I swap my target in the middle of DPS hard casts and force Embraces with my single-target heal macros.

I did some testing with Eos last night. None of her skills queue up and none of them can be cast during embrace. For Eos, I've actually redone all my macros to have a second and third cast with 1 second waits, which guarantees it will go off during the next 1 second cooldown for embrace.

A little disclaimer: I have tested the non-macro version of embrace and it doesn't queue. I haven't tested the non-macro versions of all the other skills.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

I use Embrace macros for Adlo and Physick (handy also because they double as simple Embrace hotkeys when you interrupt your own cast and want to split heal). However, I generally prefer the fairy to be independent while I DPS rather than being forced to heal a specific target, even if the tank is usually a safe bet. If I want to keep the tank topped off, I swap my target in the middle of DPS hard casts and force Embraces with my single-target heal macros.

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I agree on the dps part. Also, if you bind embrace to your attacks and switch to targeting an enemy instead of the tank, then your fairy will heal herself.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Question for OP:

Some recent theorycrafting data (not on this forum, obviously) suggests that Selene's buffs only give the party about a 1.8~2.0% DPS boost. That's with perfect buff uptime, which having Selene on Obey is going to be hard to do.

Others will claim anywhere from a 3% to 8% dps boost, but I haven't seen such claims backed by any data.

With a DPS boost of <= 2.0%... Do you still think Selene is worth it endgame, particularly giving up the ability to manually cast/precast embrace?

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I haven't updated selene's stuff, and I havent really done any testing with that recently. To be honest, in current endgame you should probably be using eos anyway. In easier stuff (dungeons, HM primals) you dont really need eos so you might as well use selene for the little bit of extra dps. I imagine that as stats get higher as more and more new gear comes out, spell and skill speed will likely be more important so selene will see more use.

I think Selene is fairly underwhelming and could use more utility. She's the more efficient option for when your party executes mechanics perfectly, but her impact on shorter fights is very minimal. I find her practical, but boring.

I hope SCH gets a new fairy option soon. Doesn't have to be OP, just something a little different.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

I hope SCH gets a new fairy option soon. Doesn't have to be OP, just something a little different.

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A debuff fairy would be fun :p

I want something that can tank for me again but I guess fairies look to frail to really be taking hits... Although, they could play the mosquito Tinkerbell type tank, buzzing around the enemy to confuse and distract them while using agility in the air to avoid incoming attacks.

i'm a bit confused as to whether i need to macro my fairy or not. i have actually put both fairies into obey and have their abilities macroed like this: i just have fairy heal simply on hotbar. i wanted to pair with it adloq and physick separely but i decided that i will just put it nearby my adloq and physic icons so it takes less space and i can manually click it and also count the cooldown.
for eos i have her defence buff and healing buff macroed in one icon, so two clicks will make them both happen. and i have rouse coupled with aoe heal as well in one button which without any /wait instantly casts aoe heal on me. its pretty amazing.

with selene its horrible. all i want is to have little more control on her heal(embrace). but for the rest i can just keep her in sic mode and dont need full control over her. im more of a selene fan because of how she boosts dps.. i just wish SE made abilities possible to cast without putting pets in obey mode. all i want is more control on heal:( dont want to manually be counting cooldowns on buffs and reapplying them.

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Originally Posted by Dijana

I haven't updated selene's stuff, and I havent really done any testing with that recently. To be honest, in current endgame you should probably be using eos anyway. In easier stuff (dungeons, HM primals) you dont really need eos so you might as well use selene for the little bit of extra dps. I imagine that as stats get higher as more and more new gear comes out, spell and skill speed will likely be more important so selene will see more use.

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That's pretty much word for word what I'm thinking. I kind of prefer a bit of extra safety to potentially shaving a few seconds or a minute off a fight anyway (a wipe costs much more time).

But strangely enough, on those same places where the theorycrafting happens, there is quite a lot of Selene CJ'ing going on and calling Eos useless (I disagree, naturally!).

I had a question I was hoping someone could answer. I know it says that the Fairy's stats are based on yours when summoned and don't get changed over time (IE swapping to Cleric Stance doesn't nerf their heals), but does the same rules apply to temp buffs you put on yourself when they are summoned? For example, if I pop an HQ'd X-Potion of Mind and then summon the fairy, will she maintain the +84 mind bonus from the potion as long as she is summoned? If so, does anyone know how much that increases their healing output and is it worth the hassle?

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Originally Posted by Correl

I had a question I was hoping someone could answer. I know it says that the Fairy's stats are based on yours when summoned and don't get changed over time (IE swapping to Cleric Stance doesn't nerf their heals), but does the same rules apply to temp buffs you put on yourself when they are summoned? For example, if I pop an HQ'd X-Potion of Mind and then summon the fairy, will she maintain the +84 mind bonus from the potion as long as she is summoned? If so, does anyone know how much that increases their healing output and is it worth the hassle?

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I think potion buffs are ignored all together. I can probably test when I get off work if no one has already.

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Originally Posted by Correl

I had a question I was hoping someone could answer. I know it says that the Fairy's stats are based on yours when summoned and don't get changed over time (IE swapping to Cleric Stance doesn't nerf their heals), but does the same rules apply to temp buffs you put on yourself when they are summoned? For example, if I pop an HQ'd X-Potion of Mind and then summon the fairy, will she maintain the +84 mind bonus from the potion as long as she is summoned? If so, does anyone know how much that increases their healing output and is it worth the hassle?

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I've never tried that, and I've never heard of it working, so I doubt it. It might work, but it sounds like that could just be an easy abuse (I'm pretty sure I remember something similar with SMNs though, where you can ramp up their egis stats, but then after you use rouse or spur and it wears off, their stats go back to what they'd normally be)

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Originally Posted by Akyio

i'm a bit confused as to whether i need to macro my fairy or not. i have actually put both fairies into obey and have their abilities macroed like this: i just have fairy heal simply on hotbar. i wanted to pair with it adloq and physick separely but i decided that i will just put it nearby my adloq and physic icons so it takes less space and i can manually click it and also count the cooldown.
for eos i have her defence buff and healing buff macroed in one icon, so two clicks will make them both happen. and i have rouse coupled with aoe heal as well in one button which without any /wait instantly casts aoe heal on me. its pretty amazing.

with selene its horrible. all i want is to have little more control on her heal(embrace). but for the rest i can just keep her in sic mode and dont need full control over her. im more of a selene fan because of how she boosts dps.. i just wish SE made abilities possible to cast without putting pets in obey mode. all i want is more control on heal:( dont want to manually be counting cooldowns on buffs and reapplying them.

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I wish we could control the fairies without being in obey mode too :/ I'm not sure how easy it is to control fairies with a keyboard (I assume you're using keyboard), I don't macro a lot of their abilities because I play with a gamepad, and it's incredibly easy to switch back and forth to my pet bar so there isnt much need for me to macro a lot of the abilities.

I'm here to say thanks too. I leveled the trinity, first DRG, then PLD and now reached 50 on Scholar. Out of the 3, SCH is by far my favorite class. I love the multi tasking that goes into it, and getting commendations means I'm at least doing something right, lol. One dungeon I find incredibly difficult is Arum Vale, the one with the Malboro and fruits. I ALWAYS lose my faerie and a teammate or 2 (thankful for sure cast). Just wondering if some content is geared more toward WHM than others? I have no interest going past 35 in it. Tips?

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

I'm here to say thanks too. I leveled the trinity, first DRG, then PLD and now reached 50 on Scholar. Out of the 3, SCH is by far my favorite class. I love the multi tasking that goes into it, and getting commendations means I'm at least doing something right, lol. One dungeon I find incredibly difficult is Arum Vale, the one with the Malboro and fruits. I ALWAYS lose my faerie and a teammate or 2 (thankful for sure cast). Just wondering if some content is geared more toward WHM than others? I have no interest going past 35 in it. Tips?

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I havent done AV in a long time, but I was under the impression they changed that boss quite some time ago because it was so difficult for SCHs, I thought they made it so the fairy wasnt affected by the stacks or something. When did you last do it?

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Originally Posted by Correl

I had a question I was hoping someone could answer. I know it says that the Fairy's stats are based on yours when summoned and don't get changed over time (IE swapping to Cleric Stance doesn't nerf their heals), but does the same rules apply to temp buffs you put on yourself when they are summoned? For example, if I pop an HQ'd X-Potion of Mind and then summon the fairy, will she maintain the +84 mind bonus from the potion as long as she is summoned? If so, does anyone know how much that increases their healing output and is it worth the hassle?

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As soon as you will use rouse she should get back to normal stats, at least that how it works as SMN if I recall correctly

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Originally Posted by Dijana

I havent done AV in a long time, but I was under the impression they changed that boss quite some time ago because it was so difficult for SCHs, I thought they made it so the fairy wasnt affected by the stacks or something. When did you last do it?

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Last night. And I received my first vote kick. The part was having a hard time eating the fruits, and Standing in the yellow, but it just seemed succor and wd weren't helping, while focusing on the Tank (War), not sure he was using stacks or not. No one even said anything to me, was just dismissed.

And my fairy was TOTALLY taking damage, had to recall her twice.

Well like I said I havent done it in a very long time, I can't remember how difficult it was even after the change. I imagine the usual tricks would help- keep stoneskin on all your dps for when aoe hits, positioning the fairy somewhere she can reach everyone for embrace and using your mitigation abilities on the tank. Although it is possible they weren't using fruits. There's plenty of fights where people just charge through and ignore mechanics because 'lol healer just keep us alive'

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Originally Posted by Dijana

Well like I said I havent done it in a very long time, I can't remember how difficult it was even after the change. I imagine the usual tricks would help- keep stoneskin on all your dps for when aoe hits, positioning the fairy somewhere she can reach everyone for embrace and using your mitigation abilities on the tank. Although it is possible they weren't using fruits. There's plenty of fights where people just charge through and ignore mechanics because 'lol healer just keep us alive'

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That may be the case, tank kept repeating "eat the fruit after 2 stacks", but my fairy was set on heel/obey, so when I succored and wd, I ran to the center of the group (I know, should have placed EoS, but she was taking so much damage as it was.) will placing my pet next to tank really help?

I remember placing the fairy during the fruit fights to save myself worrying about her pruning up in goldbile bubble baths. She's pretty hard to kill except by special mechanics (e.g. goldbile pools) and single target attacks. In most situations where she takes damage, I end up using Sustain not so much because I think she'll die but to stop her from Embracing herself while idle instead of prioritizing players ("Bye Felicia Stance: Activated!).

For the food/buffs stuff. Food and stat potions are not applied to pets when summoned, only your base stats and stats from gear are applied.
Rouse does not recalculate egi/fairy stats, Spur does but spur is smn exclusive. So if you wanted you could swap from crit to det gear or something when summoning Eos/Selene to have her focus on another stat if you wanted for whatever reason.

I think you just dug up some dead guide :P Last update was a good 2 months ago. Not like this guide's exactly in-depth. (For starters: Rouse + Fey Illumination information is wrong)

I did, i thought the month was 9 when I as reading the latest pages last night. Thats what I get for posting at dawn

Tbh I am truly surprised no one mentioned this macro...or they did and I am not gonna read through 10 pages. First and foremost you should always micro manage your pet in any endgame fight.

Mouse Over / Target

/macroicon "Embrace" Pet
/pac "Embrace" <mo> Pet
/pac "Embrace" <t> Pet

Allows you to not click off your target (mob or party member) and have your pet heal a target just by hovering over them.

Selene Silence Focus Target

/macroicon "Silent Dusk" Pet
/pac "Silent Dusk" <f> Pet

Since you are going to micro now it helps to be capable of switch pets mid-fight so this should help...

http://i.imgur.com/wa62a8f.png

Allows you to swap your hotbars for that pets skills just by hitting the summon pet button it makes along with setting them to Obey. SCH pets don't have attacks so they don't run off and agro the same when hitting Obey with a target like SMN pets.

Trauma - Ultros

Most importantly avoid embrace spam macros if you plan on micro managing your pet. There is a pet queue that builds as you instruct your pet to perform an array of functions. Using macros like these will essentially lock you out from being able to perform on the spot requests like having Selene silence Earthshock.

Also they don't benefit you in any way...the pets in obey after you instruct them to use embrace on a target they will continue the same logic and heal on their own for the remainder of combat using the hp % priorities. If you don't obey Selene will always use glow then light when it expires...regardless whats happening in the fight. Eos will blow aoe heals, magic resistance and healing buff as soon as the cooldown is available.


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I was looking for a specific macro, I'm not the big macro user and the only macro I use is when you summon a certain fairy it places her skills on your hotbar.
I'm looking for a macro that makes Eos/Selen Embrace the tank while I target the boss. In T9 when there is nothing specific going on, my fairy healing seems more than enough. But I can't keep on switching targets between boss and tank. I want to keep the boss targeted (So I see all my dots lined up, in my focus target bar the dots aren't always lined up and i don't want to activate the "Show only detrimental effects you inflict") while I keep commanding Eos/Selene to heal the tank while I still target the boss.

I tried out
/micon Embrace pet eos
/pac embrace eos <tt>
But it didn't seem to work :s Did I miss something ?

Note, I play on ps3

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Originally Posted by Cherub

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I can't say anything about ps3, but personally I just made a macro where Eos uses embrace on a certain player (in my case, position 3 in the partylist, the OT). Depending on the situation you may need to re-organize the party list a bit, but I don't find it too much of an inconvenience.

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Originally Posted by Dijana

I wish we could control the fairies without being in obey mode too :/ I'm not sure how easy it is to control fairies with a keyboard (I assume you're using keyboard), I don't macro a lot of their abilities because I play with a gamepad, and it's incredibly easy to switch back and forth to my pet bar so there isnt much need for me to macro a lot of the abilities.

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I find it easier with a keyboard (and mouse). There is still a pet hotbar if you want to use it, and because I do a lot of things with my mouse anyway I find it very easy to control the pet this way.

I never tried healing with all-keyboard though.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

I was looking for a specific macro, I'm not the big macro user and the only macro I use is when you summon a certain fairy it places her skills on your hotbar.
I'm looking for a macro that makes Eos/Selen Embrace the tank while I target the boss. In T9 when there is nothing specific going on, my fairy healing seems more than enough. But I can't keep on switching targets between boss and tank. I want to keep the boss targeted (So I see all my dots lined up, in my focus target bar the dots aren't always lined up and i don't want to activate the "Show only detrimental effects you inflict") while I keep commanding Eos/Selene to heal the tank while I still target the boss.

I tried out
/micon Embrace pet eos
/pac embrace eos <tt>
But it didn't seem to work :s Did I miss something ?

Note, I play on ps3

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You can use "/pac Embrace <f>" if the tank is your focus target.
Also your <tt> macro should work if the boss is targeting the tank - "/pac Embrace <tt>". This macro will work for both Selene and Eos, you don't need to add 'eos'.

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Originally Posted by FaizeD

You can use "/pac Embrace <f>" if the tank is your focus target.
Also your <tt> macro should work if the boss is targeting the tank - "/pac Embrace <tt>". This macro will work for both Selene and Eos, you don't need to add 'eos'.

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I got it to work!!! Seems like I missed something earlier. And thanks alot for the tip with not having to include the names of the pet, helped alot :)

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Originally Posted by Madoka

For the food/buffs stuff. Food and stat potions are not applied to pets when summoned, only your base stats and stats from gear are applied.
Rouse does not recalculate egi/fairy stats, Spur does but spur is smn exclusive. So if you wanted you could swap from crit to det gear or something when summoning Eos/Selene to have her focus on another stat if you wanted for whatever reason.

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Was this changed at some point, because I can confirm that the last time I checked (admittedly much more than one major patch ago), food and potions most certainly did effect fairy stats. Ah well, either way I have a stash of Mega-pots, I'll test this out when I get home if I remember to.

Food has never affected pets