Gold Sellers

What I do is click on their name in chat, click "Send Tell", then modify the command from /tell Vile Spammer to /blist add "Vile Spammer"

Works a little faster and is easier to work with than trying to type those names where the gil spammers mash their face into their keyboards to make the names.

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Originally Posted by beckyslater

I cancelled my subscription tonight because of the gold seller spam. Completely ridiculous. Simple solution...right-click report spam or ignore. Bad enough they get away with flooding chat so nobody can read , but then I have to remember their silly scramble of letters they call a name and use my game time to type it in. How was this not taken care of already?! And when I hit escape while I am typing I expect it to CLEAR what I was typing and then decided not to say when I hit escape. But nope, gotta go delete it or backspace it. Beautiful game with a broken chat log.

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I like the dungeons scheme that forces you to do 100+ runs to get the gear, point blank not right. I rather do different dungeons that give you more gil also items. right now they have only given us gil below 50- for each trash mob, due to RMT again not our problem. Not every player is RMT that wants to sell gil to 3rd party. They are just making it hard for players that are genuine trying to make gil. Also Stop with the crafting bull shit we hear all the time lol.

SE needs to stop botters/hacks that are destroying the economy by putting everything for 1gil on AH when you can sell it to the merchant for that much lol.
Its the same fate diablo 3 gone through (what did they do blizzard took out AH lol).

Can SE not allow level 1 to send tell to higher level ???

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

What I do is click on their name in chat, click "Send Tell", then modify the command from /tell Vile Spammer to /blist add "Vile Spammer"

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Try this;

/blist add <r>

It blacklists the last person that sent you a tell...

What I'd like to see SE do is IP ban RMT/Bot/cheaters, and when they confirm an RMTer, bot or cheater, get their STF to do an IP trace on the game sessions and look for the proxies that they may well use, and IP ban those as well.

What about this method: Never buy gold in the first place, if they have no one to sell to they can not survive as a company.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

What about this method: Never buy gold in the first place, if they have no one to sell to they can not survive as a company.

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Well if SE has made it hard for users to get the gil people will buy it that's the problem SE does not understand

There's no perfect spot on the scale between "old-school MMORPG mega-grind" and "boring faceroll". Everyone's different. Plus it seems like most people prefer games to offer a challenge (some amount of grind).

SE basically admitted that there was too much gil flowing out of the economy than in, and they're correcting that. However part of that was an unbalanced rush to level, ignoring the many ways to make gil. Plus, with only dozens of crafters and thousands of eager customers, prices were naturally high (the law of supply and demand).

To SE's shame, they confiscated all that gil from the top crafters but let the people who bought that gil keep playing and keep their ill-gotten gear. At least in this way, SE is complicit in keeping the RMT cycle alive. So in this sense, yes, I guess there are some things SE doesn't seem to understand.

I turned off every channel except party, free company and link shell the first day the servers went live, and it really hasn't gotten any better.

It's definitely getting better wrt gold spam. The density of tells is lower and you can see the workarounds the gil sellers use becoming more and more extreme. Some of the messages have become arcane enough that the meaning of their contact information is not immediately obvious. If this continues, I can see chat spam becoming economically non-viable in the foreseeable future.

They really must implement just click on the name in the log/chat window
Looked at my blacklist the other then and have 68 names on there
there is one individual that has tried under several names but always has the first name Goldceo
and usually just changes a few letters from the last name.
maybe i will send him a tell next time and tell them off. (it would make me feel better)

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Originally Posted by VeersMorgan

It's definitely getting better wrt gold spam. ...

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Except for the constant cycling of names that Goldceo uses to harass the living crap out of people on Behemoth.....

I'm sure this has been said before in this thread, but just in case.

Why not just have 2 chat logs, one that's filtered to your normal needs (/tell,/fc,/ls,etc) and another that has battle info,shouts(for Mor Dhona needs), etc?

I have no problem with sellers really and I only Blacklist a-holes, not gil sellers. No point when they get deleted every week by SE(or so it seems lol)

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Originally Posted by Berani

I disagree with your remarks regarding languages. My close friend in Canada has an English-language client and a keyboard that has French-language specific characters and accents on it. Occasionally, he accidentally hits one of those characters while typing.

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The intent behind that comment was to strip nonsense characters that players don't use to communicate in the language their game client is in, during the transmission phase. Like Cyrillic В is not B, У is not Y, but Japanese like to use Cyrilic Д (D) as mouth characters in a lot of emoji. So the game client might be sending onlУidiotsВuУgil.com but the stripping would remove the У and В before being processed for spam filtering. This would effectively nerf the ability to use accented look-a-like characters to send url's. If a string is mostly filtered out then it's probably spam anyway when combined with the transmission rate limiting.

As for one-sided trades, the game needs to escrow direct trades/mail with new players or high values. This could be either done as limiting gil (I never had to buy anything in the game except repairs until level 40's and started working on other classes) that can be traded if the player's highest class level is more than 5 levels apart. eg, someone level 1-5 could trade with another players up to 10,000g has been traded, and then be blocked from further transactions until leveled past that point.

This is all old-hat MMORPG fraud stuff, and no game is staffed enough to deal with it, much in the way no real city ever has enough police to handle all the jaywalking and rolling stops going on at once. You either throw in passive deterrents that make it more difficult to do bad things(speed bumps (friendlist trading requirements, filters)), or you just throw down heavy handed active deterrents that a directs both good and bad activity away (eg toll booths(monthly cost) and identity checkpoints(billing address requirements/region locks))

Personally I find the problem with dealing with RMT is that company doesn't take advantage of crowd-sourcing. Even at *ecommerce site* they make use of it because of the high level of Chinese counterfeits. The problem there is that the feedback sometimes has to cross a language barrier.

Watching the RMT tells is like watching a virus evolve. Like a virus there are apparently just a few critical coding area's to focus on. Making their website largely unreadable, making what they are selling largely unreadable, and making what they are selling it for largely unreadable.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

As for one-sided trades, the game needs to escrow direct trades/mail with new players or high values. This could be either done as limiting gil (I never had to buy anything in the game except repairs until level 40's and started working on other classes) that can be traded if the player's highest class level is more than 5 levels apart. eg, someone level 1-5 could trade with another players up to 10,000g has been traded, and then be blocked from further transactions until leveled past that point.

This is all old-hat MMORPG fraud stuff, and no game is staffed enough to deal with it, much in the way no real city ever has enough police to handle all the jaywalking and rolling stops going on at once. You either throw in passive deterrents that make it more difficult to do bad things(speed bumps (friendlist trading requirements, filters)), or you just throw down heavy handed active deterrents that a directs both good and bad activity away (eg toll booths(monthly cost) and identity checkpoints(billing address requirements/region locks))

Personally I find the problem with dealing with RMT is that company doesn't take advantage of crowd-sourcing. Even at *ecommerce site* they make use of it because of the high level of Chinese counterfeits. The problem there is that the feedback sometimes has to cross a language barrier.

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I agree, there are so many more choices that SE has to help control this effort, and being able to rely on the amount of people reporting the issues should be a much better-working system since its pretty clear that the devs lack the resources to police all these worlds. I'm just primarily curious, because I'm not seeing any information on it, about what the exact plan of action that they follow when attempting to limit the gil sellers? What other resources could they need to make sure that they are able to handle the volume of reports coming in?

I've blacklisted and reported so many people now, and spent so much time doing so, I'm starting to get lazy in how I deal with them because it never seems to get taken care of. I've filled half of my blacklist in the last few weeks, and in doing so I've only noticed about 4-5 characters deleted from the server. It seems to me that there should have been much, much more. As a result, I begin choosing my battles by only reporting the shout spamming bots, and only blacklisting the bots that are sending tells... Because the reporting process is tedious and takes time. When I saw target teleport movements on botted characters that were exploiting gathering spots, I even got pushback on the GM feedback I took the time to submit, advising me that I had to take extra steps through the website to report those. That tells me that folks on the other side are not taking this seriously, and are not interested in researching the issues.

So again... What is the plan? What steps are the devs taking that are so much better than all of our suggestions? Because really, I'm not seeing how anything is resulting in action, or how resources are actually being used efficiently.
I don't blame folks for giving up, or dropping the game... because a lot of people know how much damage RMT can do to a game's economy. If they want more resources, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that wouldnt mind taking extra steps if they know something is being done about it.

I guess SE didn't learn from all of the people who quit FF11 because of the rampant gold seller spamming.

Lets "assume" that this game is for the purpose of generating as much revenue as possible. Ok thinking along money making lines......I mean connect the dots people, they're losing subs from people because of it yet they refuse to do anything about it.

Wonder where they're making up that money?

ALSO to those saying SE is deleting these spam accounts, I'd love to see the proof of this besides their "hey we banned lots of people" posts. I say this because my B-list has over 100 names in it and only 5 have been banned. I copy/paste the list of names daily and send in tickets.

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Originally Posted by Ofiach

ALSO to those saying SE is deleting these spam accounts, I'd love to see the proof of this besides their "hey we banned lots of people" posts. I say this because my B-list has over 100 names in it and only 5 have been banned. I copy/paste the list of names daily and send in tickets.

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Well I said it, because I had a list of 50+(early game) and I barely had 5 left and that's when I decided to stop putting them in there, as it was a waste of my time.

But...I hate to hear you say that, that sucks :( and is not good

I hope you(and others) effort will pay off for the community sometime soon!

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Originally Posted by beckyslater

I cancelled my subscription tonight because of the gold seller spam. Completely ridiculous. Simple solution...right-click report spam or ignore. Bad enough they get away with flooding chat so nobody can read , but then I have to remember their silly scramble of letters they call a name and use my game time to type it in. How was this not taken care of already?! And when I hit escape while I am typing I expect it to CLEAR what I was typing and then decided not to say when I hit escape. But nope, gotta go delete it or backspace it. Beautiful game with a broken chat log.

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There is no way in hell that the only reason you cancelled your subscription, simply, based on Gold Seller spam!

The easiest way to prevent this kind of spam is to implement a time limit on consecutive posts, make it so that you can't post more than 2 posts every 5 to 10 sec and you'll instantly see a decrease in the amount of spam in general chat

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Originally Posted by CountBaal

You can Black list a gold seller real quick by typing /blist add <R> this will add the last person that sent a message. Hope this helps. :)

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once you hit 200 what do you do lol?
where is our left click "report Spam button" ???
Also those that abuse it also should get a ban for week for abusing it.
Its great idea but we all know SE won't do it lol we all dreaming on

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Except for the constant cycling of names that Goldceo uses to harass the living crap out of people on Behemoth.....

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Goldceo has multiple accounts on Phoenix as well, one of the biggest pains ever
I think i have several Goldceo names on my blacklist and have sent in reports

Well, here's my proof. Examine that a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYUqzTzi0U

There's dozens of videos like this all over YouTube. I did have a few great shots of the person teleporting, but Fraps was being most uncooperative.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Goldceo has multiple accounts on Phoenix as well, one of the biggest pains ever
I think i have several Goldceo names on my blacklist and have sent in reports

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What I can't figure out is why the hell SE isn't suing the living crap out of these people for the damage they do to SE's business and the multiple and repeated violations of the terms of service.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What I can't figure out is why the hell SE isn't suing the living crap out of these people for the damage they do to SE's business and the multiple and repeated violations of the terms of service.

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Yes it is rather annoying and takes away from the game a bit.
Have actually seen some spammers in person at black station and other locations as well.
For the time being they should at least implement a quick menu to blacklist like looking in the chat/info log and blacklist just by right clicking on their name.

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Originally Posted by Valmanway

Here's how they could fix it:

Newly created account characters or accounts:
-Can't use shouts or yells until lv 10.
-Cool down on global chats.

Hacked Accounts:
-Report and ignore option added when you click/target on a name in chat.
-30 reports will mute them permanently and send a report to square enix to investigate.
(Judge debuff)

Strike their business:
-Put a gold transfer cap in mails and trades.

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Yes those suggestions sound great

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Originally Posted by Biohazard901

Yes those suggestions sound great

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putting some sanity checking in the coordinates system would help as well, preventing teleportation to coordinates not on a white list of valid target locations would be a start in preventing teleporting or warping. checking how quickly an avatar covers the virtual distance over a period of time would help too, if the teleport coordinates are locked down then any movement that's not possible while mounted or sprinting should thrown up a red flag.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What I can't figure out is why the hell SE isn't suing the living crap out of these people for the damage they do to SE's business and the multiple and repeated violations of the terms of service.

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There's a few reason I can think of:

(1) Different countries with different legal systems. Trying to bring the gold sellers within jurisdiction where they actually have a valid civil claim presents all sorts of problems.

There's all kinds of issues with other countries where corporate espionage is an issue, for example, and those countries don't always handle it the way the company's host country would like. In other words, some countries benefit by taking knowledge from somewhere else, and see it as necessary, otherwise justified.

Then add how unlikely an MMO company could even enforce any kind of legal right even if the country where the gold selling company is located is compliant. The gold selling company might just pull up shop, change names and start over somewhere else. It's probably not hard to hide IP's and locations where the actual computer and person are who are setting up bots, otherwise doing their work.

Then add in the cost of all of this, organizing, hiring attorneys, the time delays.

(2) Over the last ten years there have been reports of some games selling as much as 15% of their games directly to gold selling companies. Add in the number of people who support the behavior and then it becomes a question of how gone does a company really want them? Yeah, they don't want them visible and doing things which people directly see, but outside that?

Guild Wars 2 last year banned something like 35,000 accounts out of the two million ish they sold only two months in. That's only 2%, except a lot of those bots showed back up again on new accounts. Not only is there cost of litigation, and the very costly expense of trying to shut these companies down, some companies (not necessarily FFXIV at all), might have incentive not to force them out completely.

So...this is a joke, right? Please someone tell me this is a joke!

http://youtu.be/vYKixSyaen0

When the game was in beta people's YouTube videos were being flagged, pulled down and their accounts were shut down for posting in game footage but this is a video of "hot to bot" and square enix hasn't done anything?

I put in long hours to get both mining and botany to 50 and when i harvest any materials that I need and seeing bots at the nodes, hidden underground, every 2 days is really starting to p!$$ me off! I have tried to report them as often as I can but its difficult when they are hidden underground. And I didn't purchase this game to become the bot police, finding myself standing around to monitor people gathering at nodes to make sure they're not teleporting. Please square! Do something with mining and botany like u did with fishing because clearly that's working!

We need players to be more vocal about this issue or SE wont take us seriously. this thread should have well over 11 pages. Having said that the spamming is out of hand and lessens my enjoyment f the game. I at least block 8 spammers in any given day or more and it messes up my respnding to other players .

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Originally Posted by solacekane

We need players to be more vocal about this issue or SE wont take us seriously. this thread should have well over 11 pages. Having said that the spamming is out of hand and lessens my enjoyment f the game. I at least block 8 spammers in any given day or more and it messes up my respnding to other players .

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that is saying they wont take their TOS seriously if they continue ignoring the posts of video of hackers and ignoring the reports i have reported the same guy 3 times and he still continues teleporting around between gathering points with nothing being done

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Originally Posted by buttfish

that is saying they wont take their TOS seriously if they continue ignoring the posts of video of hackers and ignoring the reports i have reported the same guy 3 times and he still continues teleporting around between gathering points with nothing being done

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+1 ^^^^^^^^

I have no idea where else to put this. I have put in reports on the said persons that are to follow. This is a compiled list of the gold sellers in my Blacklist that have not been deleted yet. I have just started playing recently and this seems relatively large to me so far. I hope that this can help speed up the process of deletion.

Balmung (NA Legacy)

Seburga Piperd, Asdfawf Asfawf, Josepha Browne, Halsteinb Young, T'mhalawi Halha, Goldceo Gfdf, Gwenolie Faucertaux, Jajaki Jaki, Goldceo Comedf, Sokekefsd Soke, Robald Carverd, Sadfwe Asdfew, Hjgj Ghtfh, Sdg Cbdrg, Asdqwe Sdfaser, Dswewq Wqeewq, Fgfhf Fdg, Leylar Ray, Malachi Lamora, Goldceo Gertgh, Goldceo Hfdxhg, Goldceo Sdfgbdfsg, Dfgdfg Dfger, Dfgsers Ergse, Goldceo Comga, Jylomulie Touvien, Iron Knuckle, Fgh Etf, Jolaine Orchambaut, Rogergf Goodfellow, Qweqwasd Qweqweq, Vyncents Yaeger

By the way guys, good luck and I'm sure you are all working very hard to get things under control. I understand that some things just CAN'T be a quick process. Thanks for taking the time to review these, even if there is no written response!

More needs to be done with Bot farmers on Exodius. One comes to South Shourd alot that is underground gathering. can we have a GM or a RMT Specialist goto that area and look. He keeps tele porting and these people on our server posting on Market 33k wind shards at a time. Retainer name: Cinnabun Rentainer Location: Maelstrom. Not trying to falsly accuse someone. just these are the things that are gonna ruin the game. these same people undercut us real working folk badly. Please GM's take a look. Exodius needs you

Bot farmers!? how about PLD bots in AK, and if you actually start the fight without them they stand there unresponsive. Its the most annoying thing ever and worst of all you get penalised for dropping. I reported these bots multiple times but nope nothing is done. If i see the same PLD bot again, ill find the code and bot myself. SE has no intention of doing anything so why not join them and let the AI do the hard work?

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Originally Posted by buttfish

that is saying they wont take their TOS seriously if they continue ignoring the posts of video of hackers and ignoring the reports i have reported the same guy 3 times and he still continues teleporting around between gathering points with nothing being done

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Yes, this is getting tiring now.

Even as I write this, there is a bot so far down there is no person or name. Just the flash of the pick mining.

Why not code it so you MUST be in a particular spot/plane for the mining to work? You cannot pick up or interact foo far below or above an item in the game ... why not do the same for mining? Would force bots to be in front of the node wouldn't it? No hiding below or falling from above.

I also would HIGHLY suggest DO NOT buy large stacks of shards (talking many many many stacks of 99 shards) from the market on your server. Even with people in my guild, they can average 600 shards on a good play time, and that's over a long period of time. The amount some places are stupid.

Report what you can.

I have a particularly infuriating bot on Mateus server that has been steadily leveling to 50 all crafting/gathering classes and that I have reported four times (one for each class I've watched them magically level to 50 in a couple days). Runits Thecia. Everyone on Mateus who sees this character (they're online virtually all the time, but I never see them actually doing anything but runnining around robotically) needs to report them immediately and get them off our server. I have a feeling their retainers are Bikevendor and Bikevendors, two retainers that have single-handedly ruined the entire fishing market (and who knows what others) for our server to the point nobody can make any money at all on anything.

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Originally Posted by beckyslater

I cancelled my subscription tonight because of the gold seller spam. Completely ridiculous. Simple solution...right-click report spam or ignore. Bad enough they get away with flooding chat so nobody can read , but then I have to remember their silly scramble of letters they call a name and use my game time to type it in. How was this not taken care of already?! And when I hit escape while I am typing I expect it to CLEAR what I was typing and then decided not to say when I hit escape. But nope, gotta go delete it or backspace it. Beautiful game with a broken chat log.

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Here's a care package. with a nice note

(Nobody is going to miss you)

Blacklist is almost full. About 4 shy of the magic 200. Do I get a job killing gold spammers when I max out?

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Originally Posted by Eth

Blacklist is almost full. About 4 shy of the magic 200. Do I get a job killing gold spammers when I max out?

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hopefully there is an achievement or title or some bonus since they arent fixing the problem