Say no to Cross-world group finders

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

The reason he did all this was "i was annoying him" All I did was be pleasent say hello and asked how ppl were doing.

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You couldn't really handle this any better than you do, thank you. Any more stories to share?

Seems that everyone who doesn't share your unique snowflake mindset "judges you too quickly". Man the world is full of insensitive people just out there to be rude to you, how dare they. You've done absolutely nothing to warrant that sort of behavior.

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ffxi is proof of it. I had a dynanis LS mate try mpking my monk all cuz he hated me for no reason.

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Somehow I doubt thattt.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

so do stuff with your linkshell. The cross server stuff is for ppl who just want to play w/o linkshell drama there. Sorry but why should ppl feel left out of stuff because of not joining a linkshell who only do these events.

imo i woulda loved cross server que system for stuff like dynamis, sky, sea , missions so I can get them done whenever.

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Um.. you assumed I have a linkshell. I want to meet and party with people from my own server. I don't have large groups of friends. This is exactly the reason I DON'T want cross-server partying.

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Judging a person with out getting to know them it pretty pathetic. It is stupid to be judged for a bad day. It is more stupid to be judged over a misundertanding.
I played WoW on a wierd schedual. I couldn't join guild because of their rules were to strict and made the game not fun. Meaning I must have xyz addons and such and such gearscore. Even though I had no time to do that stuff. Games are just for entertainment. No one should be forced to play the way they don;t find fun. Nor should be pushed out of content for having weird play times. I play mostly in the morning and try to be in bed around 11pm. Saddly around this time is when most mmo's "endgame" set up their times.

And most EU times are to early for me due to work. Stop Slanding others for silly reasons or misundertandings. That really ruins a community. Stop trying to force your play style on others. And stop trying to make this game be so limiting and forcing people to join LS's who don't make end game fun, with bad rules and play favs.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Um.. you assumed I have a linkshell. I want to meet and party with people from my own server. I don't have large groups of friends. This is exactly the reason I DON'T want cross-server partying.

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I stand corrected and sorry. But I made friends also with cross server que system. Why should a system effect you if you don;t use it? Or how does it make making friends any less?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Stop trying to force your play style on others..

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Oh wow.

You really are something else.

When everyone else wants you to act a certain way, they "force their playstyle on you", but when you want everyone else to accept your melee RDM, you just "want to have fun". Not "force your melee RDM playstyle on others", no no, this is completely different.

We are reaching a world record level of hypocrisy here, lets see how much you can improve from here. Seems like there's no end in sight.

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Originally Posted by Mack

Somehow I doubt thattt.

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I did nothing to him but say hello. ZDude was a psycho even the LS leaders knew it, they kept him due to he was one of few people with thf knife befire the fix. Don't judge a situation if you wasn't there.

Same goes to you dude with the spongebob cartton siggy.

Ypu guys tell me not to have an opinion of stuff w/o first hand seeing it. Why do you guys do the same. You wasn't there to witness it so don't be rude to me for what you think you know. I;m not really a rude person. You guys bring that out of me, or misinterpted my posting.

I was a very nice person on ffxi and did what I could to help ppl. Even staying up at all hours so they had a "shoulder to cry on"

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I stand corrected and sorry. But I made friends also with cross server que system. Why should a system effect you if you don;t use it? Or how does it make making friends any less?

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To put it in layman terms for you - when you're out shouting "LFG! Rank 23-27, meet up at Chocobo Stables!" because you wanna do it the old fashioned way and make friends, millions of people are ignoring you and queuing up for cross-server instances. It just becomes the norm and everyone will do it because its efficient but in this case it would completely negate engaging with other players. I'm also going to assume the dungeons will be jam packed with action, meaning what will likely happen with these random PUGs will barely even constitute a "hello" at the beginning, it'll be grind grind grind grind, ok "goodbye now, see you again in never!"....*that* is why people are opposed to this.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Oh wow.

You really are something else.

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your misunderstanding what I said with that. By play style as in make a person log on at certain times for end game scheduals...

Asking instead of being rude would help.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I did nothing to him but say hello. ZDude was a psycho even the LS leaders knew it, they kept him due to he was one of few people with thf knife befire the fix. Don't judge a situation if you wasn't there.

Same goes to you dude with the spongebob cartton siggy.

Ypu guys tell me not to have an opinion of stuff w/o first hand seeing it. Why do you guys do the same. You wasn't there to witness it so don't be rude to me for what you think you know. I;m not really a rude person. You guys bring that out of me, or misinterpted my posting.

I was a very nice person on ffxi and did what I could to help ppl. Even staying up at all hours so they had a "shoulder to cry on"

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Reflect all you want, but your experience with Zealot the Grinch isn't common occurance in FFXI. From my 3 years experience with the game I never once got in a fight with anyone and majority of people were friendly and fun to hang out with and I made a lot of friends on there (who the world swallowed up since then :( ). I do clearly remember however 2 different occasions where people I knew in game (from partying with them several times) had to re-roll their characters after leveling to the high 40s, 50s, because they were dbags all the time and no one wanted them in their parties. Random PUGs will take that all out the window and you will get a lot more dbags, another reason people don't want it.

I can see you're passionate about what you say but instead of calling people out for inflating a non-issue, you should take a clear look in the mirror first. In every topic you open your mouth you do nothing but argue.

When will people learn to just ignore Kilta? All she ever does is take statements out of context, then comes up with some horror story from FFXI that doesn't even apply to the situation, and then when people call her out on it, she goes off topic about people being mean to her and plays the victim when nothing even happened.

Just do yourselves a favor and don't respond.


EDIT: Of course, if you like that sort of thing, carry on. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Mack

To put it in layman terms for you - when you're out shouting "LFG! Rank 23-27, meet up at Chocobo Stables!" because you wanna do it the old fashioned way and make friends, millions of people are ignoring you and queuing up for cross-server instances. It just becomes the norm and everyone will do it because its efficient but in this case it would completely negate engaging with other players. I'm also going to assume the dungeons will be jam packed with action, meaning what will likely happen with these random PUGs will barely even constitute a "hello" at the beginning, it'll be grind grind grind grind, ok "goodbye now, see you again in never!"....*that* is why people are opposed to this.

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I seen it happen w/o cross server groups like in ffxi with pugs for well leveling. Not everyone like joining linkshells for ebdgame because of they scheduals, the rules, the drama etc. I should get on and play the game not wait around forever to get help. I have no issue socializing.

This just seems like a bad idea...

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I have no issue socializing.

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Aside from when there is a conflict of interest, at which point you decide to do what you want regardless of what everyone else thinks because "it's fun and not work". Everyone is there just for your fun, and if others don't find it fun, they are insensitive and bad players among other things.

Since, as we all know, when dealing with humans you never have to compromise. At least in Massachusetts.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I seen it happen w/o cross server groups like in ffxi with pugs for well leveling. Not everyone like joining linkshells for ebdgame because of they scheduals, the rules, the drama etc. I should get on and play the game not wait around forever to get help. I have no issue socializing.

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ebdgame? you poor baby you have a cold? the scheduals are pretty much necessary for ebdgame unless its completely instanced. Cross-server isn't the solution here, you can have quicker PUGs in your own server, that's what they'll probably end up utilizing, I don't think it'll get to cross server. And there is no way you can convince me that there was drama in your LS, no way, just don't do it, don't even try I wont hear of it. Now let me get back to my ebdgame because my schedual is tight and I have an exam in the morning that I'm still studying for - good thing its not an English exam hey???

I like the concept of the idea, but when you look at the cons compared to the pros...it just wouldn't work.
I mean the ninja thing, easier for the servers to get messed up depending on how many dungeons are like this as well.
Also it prevents you from making and keeping friends that you kick butt with.
I met almost all of my friends in FFXI by partying.

So I'm against it. Unless it's some kind of battle or event that it would not produce relationships
(I cannot think of an example when that would occur) then yes but otherwise, no.
So no. lol

Umm it is called debating....
But so far no one truely has a valid poit against cross server que or lfg

all it is, is you guys want to force people into linkshells. Make the game not fun, so far those for it have good reason which is met by those against it who are being degoritory in one way or another. Well minus a few who just have a bias reason of not wanting it for sake of not wanting it.

those for it want it so que wait times are as low as possible. So far most ppl on here don't true see how they post, or see how their reason effects others. Why should you guys "rule" the game? Anyone should be able to log on and have fun doing whatever. All the ones who are against it are lumping everyone in a group that they are dbags, or bad players.

So that fact is ruining the communities. And Kaeden..... Your just as bad. Your slandering me though i do make a good point.

All i want is a fun game. All you guys want is a controled game. You wanjt so many limits it getting sufficaiting.

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Originally Posted by Mack

ebdgame? you poor baby you have a cold? the scheduals are pretty much necessary for ebdgame unless its completely instanced. Cross-server isn't the solution here, you can have quicker PUGs in your own server, that's what they'll probably end up utilizing, I don't think it'll get to cross server. And there is no way you can convince me that there was drama in your LS, no way, just don't do it, don't even try I wont hear of it. Now let me get back to my ebdgame because my schedual is tight and I have an exam in the morning that I'm still studying for - good thing its not an English exam hey???

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really dude nice way to promote community kinship....

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all it is, is you guys want to force people into linkshells. Make the game not fun, so far those for it have good reason which is met by those against it who are being degoritory in one way or another. Well minus a few who just have a bias reason of not wanting it for sake of not wanting it.

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Your debate is crap. You're like the George Bush of debates...have you seen him debate? watch him, you can learn a few more tricks. On topic though, I just gave you two reason as to why people don't want cross server PUGs, and no one is saying they don't want auto grouping, as long as its kept in one server and assuming this game will take off at PS3 release you'll have plenty of people to PUG with to your hearts content and it doesn't involve a LS you freakin loner - or is it because no one would take you in their LS? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

really dude nice way to promote community kinship....

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Damnit! you know I was trying my best. Can't blame a guy for trying.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Aside from when there is a conflict of interest, at which point you decide to do what you want regardless of what everyone else thinks because "it's fun and not work". Everyone is there just for your fun, and if others don't find it fun, they are insensitive and bad players among other things.

Since, as we all know, when dealing with humans you never have to compromise. At least in Massachusetts.

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if you don't want a bad community why are you acting like that......

do you really see who rude you truely are.

It's only slander (technically the term is libel for written things) if it's not true. But it is true in this case. You have not made any good points (more accurately, you haven't acknowledged the counter-arguments... you just ignore, dismiss or steamroll over them by going off-topic), otherwise I would respond.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

if you don't want a bad community why are you acting like that......

do you really see who rude you truely are.

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From where I'm sitting I only see who rude you are.

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Originally Posted by Mack

Your debate is crap. You're like the George Bush of debates...have you seen him debate? watch him, you can learn a few more tricks. On topic though, I just gave you two reason as to why people don't want cross server PUGs, and no one is saying they don't want auto grouping, as long as its kept in one server and assuming this game will take off at PS3 release you'll have plenty of people to PUG with to your hearts content and it doesn't involve a LS you freakin loner - or is it because no one would take you in their LS? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

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You don;t know me stop judging me. This is the REAL reason you guys do not want it. I'm no loner I did have several Social LS's in ffxi. You guys are so judgemental its getting irritating. You want a good community. Act like it. Get to know a person before assuming. I just don;t want to always have to wait to get help in a quest. Or 6 hours for a party because lack of players not partying. I'm no loner or solo'er.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

if you don't want a bad community why are you acting like that......

do you really see who rude you truely are.

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Hey, I'm not the one here unwilling to compromise my own enjoyment for others. That title goes to you.

I'm simply fighting you with your own terms. Is that rude, you think?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

It's only slander (technically the term is libel for written things) if it's not true. But it is true in this case. You have not made any good points (more accurately, you haven't acknowledged the counter-arguments... you just ignore, dismiss or steamroll over them by going off-topic), otherwise I would respond.

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It isn't true if you claim it is. If you took the time to know me you wouldn't be so quick to judge. You guys are really something else. You want good communities but then go around witch hunting people.
I was never rude in this topic. All i want is to have fun on a video gane and gave examples of my personal experiences. You guys are making poor judgement calls based on assuming you know how I truely am. Insult me for my typing, and insult me because you misunderstood my post.

Instead of assuming a person is rude ask them what they mean.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Hey, I'm not the one here unwilling to compromise my own enjoyment for others. That title goes to you.

I'm simply fighting you with your own terms. Is that rude, you think?

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umm yes you are..... you are against the feature..... which is infact limiting others who may need it.

I want it because i'm under the same flag. I don't always play the game at the same time as everyone else. I'm not wanting it for my own enjoyment. Nor is anyway else. So for all those who are against it are doing that. They want to limit how people get things done because thet simple do not want it.

If you don't like it don;t use it. Let others who do like it use it. How is that rude?

I should beable to log on an mmo and do content at my leisure. Make friends i can talk to through these forums or other such stuff. Why do you guys want to limit the game with scheduals not everyone can do?
I think that is rude.

I know this article is about Rift and you guys hate that game, but this guy has ideas of how cross-server grouping could be better at the end of the article.

http://www.riftwatchers.com/2011/02/...oming-to-rift/

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Originally Posted by chime85

1) It destroys communities: With the mix and match cross world system, it will destroy the union between players from their own world. It will be like 5k players playing their own solo games

2) gives oportunity for ninja's:

With less responsability for player reputations, you can and will come across people who see this as an invitation to take advantage of the situation and rob the party of everything they worked for.
However, this does have a flip side and gives some players the chance to shout "ninja" every time they do not get their own way, regardless of what may occour.

3) player conduct: Again, with less responsabilities for player reputations. Cross-world groups makes people think they have a right to pretty much treat everyone else like dirt. No amount of racist, homophobic, sexist or otherwise derogitory name calling (often having the F word seperate every other word) has gone unheard when this feature has been implimented in other games.

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I understand your concerns, however i believe that those 3 points you mentioned above, it's all players doing...it's not feature that's destroying community or ninja your loot...as for third, damn...people act like that since...ever lol, this feature won't really make it any worse (or better) people WILL still do all that (they did in XI...) :)

As soon as we get dungeons, you'll see rage posts about ninja's which then leads to bad player conduct...:)

I wouldn't mind feature like this IF it's completely optional. I would probably not use it because I'm in couple of pretty big and active linkshells (and i plan it to stay like that), so I will always have something to do with friends, but not everybody has that and I would really see no problem if people would have an opportunity to do some dungeons or raids with players from other servers :confused:

That's my opinion anyway :)

I think all of your point from 1. 2. 3. 4. are just depend on individual personality. Only kids may do that kind of things. and they can do it within own world too anyway. More than imaging of what other might do. I think it is best for our own to act the best, be gentle and kind to everyone. that is all the matter.

I believe this game has enough adult population more than kids, because it doesn't have largely advertise and only old fan still playing it. I believe that our players here are good enough to know what they do here. They will be able to handle it and only take benefit of cross-server easy recruit. and not for stealing loot.

pretty much this:

Originally Posted by Ostia

Lmao! This argument is so STUPID! I do not even comprehend why are people arguing over it ?Really ? If you for some reason don't like it, then do not use it, the system does not take's the ability to form a group from your server/zone/ls, so you can still do those like nothing happened, and those that have no problem with it can use it, is a win win, i fail to see why people feel like they have the right to dictate how other people should play the game.


And 100% what zacko said.

the only rude ppl are those who are against it. The only ppl who are unwilling to compromised are those against it.
I am not rude soly for I am not making jabs or insulting anyone. If you take offence to what I said, maybe you need to really ask questions. If you are unwilling get to know someone who have no right to talk bad about them.

Bringing up post posts that have nothing to do with this topic is poor form.
Assuming how a person is based on what they said is poorform.

I wouldn't mind being able to hook up with other players on other worlds, but I don't want to do it randomly for myself. If there is an option to form parties with players on other worlds, or do random parties (that server or another), or do server only parties, that's cool with me. More options makes it possible for people to do something that is suited for them.

But I am against only choosing one of these options. It needs to be all or none, I feel.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

the only rude ppl are those who are against it. The only ppl who are unwilling to compromised are those against it.

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Do you really not realize what you're saying here?

"The only rude ppl are those who don't agree with what I want. The only ppl who are unwilling to compromise are those that don't agree with what I want."

Sorry Kilta... your wants are not always the best options and people will disagree and have justifications for doing so.

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Bringing up post posts that have nothing to do with this topic is poor form.

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That is exactly what you do in every thread you post in where there is disagreement... like I already pointed out.

adding my signature to this cause.

kaeden your twisting my words... in case you can't tell.

And what I said is true. So far no one against it said anything "nice" or a valid reason. It is all we do not want it, for the sake of not wanting it. I got called a loner (which isn't true) because i dislike joining stuck up linkshells. (which do infact exist).

So far no one against it is willing to compromise. They want to force ppl to join linkshells. I can't always play under a work schedual for events. Nor do I find it fun. I have every right to log on and do stuff at my own lieser which is the point of any game. I am not trying to be rude, not doing this for myself. I know alot of ppl who have odd work times who missed out on doing endgame. I knew a guy running a sky LS who missed out on events because people took over and kept making ppl join on their time, and no one wanted to do events when he logged in. That shell got disbaned when leader had enough of missing events in an LS he ran.

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Originally Posted by Mack

To put it in layman terms for you - when you're out shouting "LFG! Rank 23-27, meet up at Chocobo Stables!" because you wanna do it the old fashioned way and make friends, millions of people are ignoring you and queuing up for cross-server instances. It just becomes the norm and everyone will do it because its efficient but in this case it would completely negate engaging with other players. I'm also going to assume the dungeons will be jam packed with action, meaning what will likely happen with these random PUGs will barely even constitute a "hello" at the beginning, it'll be grind grind grind grind, ok "goodbye now, see you again in never!"....*that* is why people are opposed to this.

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Exactly, thank you ^^; <3

We can disagree but do it civily. Have a valid reason to not want it such as... server issues. But so far most disagreements for silly reasons that are bias and rude.
But my point still stands. If you guys want to have great communities your doing a bang up job by treating ppl rudely.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Exactly, thank you ^^; <3

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not really... I seen all that happen in ffxi also. So cross server Lfg or que will not do much to increase it. And its really based person to person not a feature.

I think it would ensure that i always have a party, especially in this game where people dont hand out guild(linkshell) invites every five seconds and quite a few people still arent in one despite the ability to be in eight.