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Also.. how does dieing make a game hard?
you die you get up, you do it again. Even with exp/sp/level down. it don't make it any harder. You just go back level more and retry it.
I have died tons of times in games I don't think any of them are hard.

Like two worlds 2, even on the "easy" setting i've found things that can one shot me. Does that make the game harder? Not really, I just go and level up more then get back to it.

if you want a really "hard" gamke play lost choas and shiyain ot w/o it called. Both have an ultimate settinhs where if you die and are not raised in time your character will get deleted. Imagine having all the best gear in the game a ton of money and you die and no one is aroumd to raise you. All that work is gone.

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I'm still waiting to hear what was so incredibly *difficult* in FFXI :D

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Camping, gathering items from mobs that have incredibly stupid spawn timers and drop rates in order to spawn another monster, grinding, and erm thats it ?

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Everyone can rest assured that the raid dungeons and content that we're planning to implement in the future will feature not only tough battles, but also challenging and exhilarating bosses. The nitty-gritty details are tied into the future rollout of Grand Companies which we'll be announcing the juicy particulars of at a later date. I hope you're all looking forward to it with bated breath!

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Camping, gathering items from mobs that have incredibly stupid spawn timers and drop rates in order to spawn another monster, grinding, and erm thats it ?

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That's not difficult. That's just a matter of having a ton of time in one's hand, though.

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That's not difficult. That's just a matter of having a ton of time in one's hand, though.

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I was not being serious.......

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Funny part i was thinking about this but they would add some cool hardcore events and casuals would cry. there even crying now about wasting there time to make something for us. It tell you right there that most casual only care about themself unlike most of the hardcore who thinks both ways. i for one want both all the casual players are greedy like hell about giving us anything that they can't do. just because they know more then 70% are the player base, but to tell you the true playing wow you see it first hand how most causal players think and wow have to be one of the baddest players i see in a mmo. FFXI was like a great game every nice players then around whitegate players became more greedy and less helping if you don't give something in return they wont waste there time. This was not only the causal but hardcore players themself.

Sadly thanks to WoW this is how the mmo game world is now casual. There two type of casual players who really don't have time to play which is most of the players here and the onces that are lazy and want everything handed to them like a baby.

Grow up casual players this is not only your game, we have the right to be here can't we just grow up and meet in the middle?

and grow up hardcore players adding myself into this we need to just leave the causal players enjoy the game and see what happens.

We can have FFXI serket type NM in FFXIV make them 1-3hours random repop timer make them have there own spell, make them hard just like serket was but you still need to kill them under 30mins before it rage. This can meet casual and hardcore players need. Sadly if you don't have 1-3hours to wait for a NM then your out of luck. Even if you can't get the nm does not matter because the one that are 3-5mins are being hunt down like crazy right now anyways. So a 3-5 nm could become 6hours waiting to even get it thanks to everyone doing them.

So stop being asshats about it and allow hardcore to have little fun.

I guess hardcore players have to quit playing MMO or become casual players that or wait too players change view which wont happen for the next 30+years lol i guess i start playing game again when am 50. If ffxiv all going to be is 100% casual.

note don't even Quote me i'm not agreeing with the casual or the hardcore all i want is a mddiel ground and all am saying is true maybe with a lil b??????? :) but this gone long enough i think hardcore players should just shut up and see what happen with ffxiv :) let casual have the fun. Yoshi oh ready said he going to add hardcore events and item for us even if casual don't agree.

@Felis

FFXI is casual you can get 30-90 in about one day no thanks :) if you can make a server that is like ffxi before all the big change in whitegate let me know :) i join it asap.

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Agreed, this game was designed to appeal to BOTH the casual and the hardcore, but some of the ppl who have been complaining about things like auto-attack and other content sound like they expect the game to do everything for them, from leveling to getting leet gear, to probably wiping thier a** too. The harsh reality is that if you want awesome gear, you are expected to work for it, this applies to real life too. It took me 9 tries to get my Mirke Wardecors in FFXI, but when I finally beat the seed crystal, it made the having the armor all the more sweeter. (That, and I had a great story to share.)

Nothing is worth having if you didn't truly EARN it, and quests that give you amazing gear as an easy freebie is NOT a quest, it is a handout. Even if you are casual, there is no reason why you cannot try the same difficult quest for a powerful sword or legendary armor that a hardcore player would enjoy.

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Agreed, this game was designed to appeal to BOTH the casual and the hardcore, but some of the ppl who have been complaining about things like auto-attack and other content sound like they expect the game to do everything for them, from leveling to getting leet gear, to probably wiping thier a** too. The harsh reality is that if you want awesome gear, you are expected to work for it, this applies to real life too. It took me 9 tries to get my Mirke Wardecors in FFXI, but when I finally beat the seed crystal, it made the having the armor all the more sweeter. (That, and I had a great story to share.)

Nothing is worth having if you didn't truly EARN it, and quests that give you amazing gear as an easy freebie is NOT a quest, it is a handout. Even if you are casual, there is no reason why you cannot try the same difficult quest for a powerful sword or legendary armor that a hardcore player would enjoy.

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I agree but that what players don't understand most just want everything handed to them. Sadly not even life is casual you need to work your a** off just to meet ends meet even if you win the lotto you still have to be smart with it. The game need some. hardcore does not mean wasting 500hours on something it's how hard it took you to get for a great story even if it take you 3-4days to get one item that would last you to endgame that good enough reason to get the item.

But w/e my last post fix the issue vs causal and hard core they doing something fun and hard matter if the causal like it or not. it may not take 3-5hours to do but it still going to be a hard event.

the idea of an hardcore server is silly as the open pvp/pk ones. You know right it's utterly expensive developing 2 sets of patches right ?Not speaking of maintein 2 different servers. I'm speaking of this

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2] removal of teleportation and anima system completely.

3] re-insert the player population count under the search option again.

6] all items (including NM & mob drops) tradable / sellable besides starter gear like underwear, starter weapon, etc.

7] removal of automated party buffs.

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All of this is binded to the core mechanism, from an aziendal point it's detrimental redo such feature just for a part of the population. It's all or nobody.
Seriusly, people complain in WoW for a TBC only server, and even with 12m of account blizzard don't do it. And not really because other servers will get empty.

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1) NM respawn once in a month
2) HNM respawn once in a year with 0,03 % drop rate
3) all shops close at daytime, open at night only
4) all character and monster names are turned off always.
6) need collectors addition+ FFXI account to join the server
7) need to collect 4 times as much SP to climb a level and no bonus SP for R1-20
8) if player remains R1-20 longer than 3 days his character will get deleted automatically
9) Bots should be allowed
10) NM only spawn if at least 5 Linkshells are present

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I was not being serious.......

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Oh sorry, my mistake. Since there are a few (very few, luckily) people that sggest that same concept seriously, it was hard to tell.

This is a good idea. Maybe SE should implement all of their fixes or bascially convert to the FFXI mechanics but with the FF14 theme on a completely another server, and yes hard core based (TERA is a perfect example of both hard core and casual). This will also allow SE to have their player base start anew with their newly implemented systems and features.

SE will begin to see the flow of their player base attending this hard core server. Possibly a majorit and possibly many others who have quit come back.

Then they would realize the mistake they have made from the beginning and ignore those who continue to cry that "ff14 is perfectly fine! Q.Q" which is further digging this games whole.

Back to TERA again, TERA has also a pvp / pve server both with different content to suit their players needs. Why cant we have a hardcore/casual?

Casual bassicaly would be a private server where everything is handed to you.

Hard core would be the classic FF11/Standard MMO expectations with the risk/reward

Not sure which thread bothers me more, this one or the 56 page thread in the Japanese section about people who want a separate server away from you guys.

I Do not see any point at all to this at all there not need. If you want this game to be just like ffxi then why do you not just go play ffxi because that exactly what you want. If they end up making this game as hardcore as ffxi i would never come back and play because i already have that game playing it and enjoy it i do not need another one.

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Not sure which thread bothers me more, this one or the 56 page thread in the Japanese section about people who want a separate server away from you guys.

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when you say you guys who do you mean NA players or hardcore player

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when you say you guys who do you mean NA players or hardcore player

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NA players, but does it really matter? We're all on the same server together as it should be, at least that's what I think.

I want FFXIV to become a hardcore game too, but instead opening dumb Threads with the same requests, opinions, etc.. I prefer to be patient and see how this "wrong released" game, becomes one of the best Hardcore MMO of the world.

nvm i found it, jp are mix on subject and it seems more that they just want everyone speak same language on the servers there few trolls just like there is here but over all there mix on subject an it just over mainly language barres of all languages not just English.

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Not sure which thread bothers me more, this one or the 56 page thread in the Japanese section about people who want a separate server away from you guys.

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Actually in that thread the vast majority of the posters is quite clearly against separate servers (which is quite surprising, in a pleasant way).

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SE will begin to see the flow of their player base attending this hard core server. Possibly a majorit and possibly many others who have quit come back.

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Lol. If you expect any more than a completely overwhelmed minority to be even slightly interested in such a server option, I'm afraid that there's a big delusion at play here.

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Back to TERA again, TERA has also a pvp / pve server both with different content to suit their players needs. Why cant we have a hardcore/casual?

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Because the TERA devs aren't hard pressed to squeeze every little bit of content and evolution they can from every little bit of development resources/time. The FFXIV devs are.

And because PvP and PvE both have a *Large* fanbase in the MMORPG market, making the options worthwile. Timesinks don't have that kind of fanbase. Ergo adding a "timesink server" isn't simply worth the development resources ad time it'd cost, slowing down the whole development process of the game.

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Casual bassicaly would be a private server where everything is handed to you.

Hard core would be the classic FF11/Standard MMO expectations with the risk/reward

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Those ideas of hardcore/casual are quite funny, not to mention completely detached from reality.

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Actually in that thread the vast majority of the posters is quite clearly against separate servers (which is quite surprising, in a pleasant way).

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While that is true, I still stand by my point that there is no need for such threads (including this one).

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While that is true, I still stand by my point that there is no need for such threads (including this one).

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yeah but over all jp talking about language barres which at least understandable but this thread is about making a easy server and hard server which they would have go back re work everything so meaning it would never happen and nmo people have to be totally detach from reality to think it would

Dear god this would be a dream come true!

Well apparently to some people around here, making an easy server and a hard server is understandable, just as you believe talking about language barriers is understandable.

Hmm.... request for a hard core server. I actually like this idea. I think it would be ridiculous to even consider it now but maybe for later and players could transfer characters. At least that would get them off my server and they can communicate with others who want the same thing about how glorious they are for being on that server. Ya grand idea! Oh but now that I think about it. Make them start from scratch too to get on the server.

what the majority of you failed to understand in such a topic is that a "classic rule set" server would bring back a large chunk of the population to the game. the ffxi orphans would get that classic ffxi feeling back one again. the game only has around 30k players active. this number can grow exponentially through the classic rule set servers. i predict that more than one server would be required almost immediately once the word gets out that they are available.

what is also amusing is the crying from you players. such a server will not hurt your gameplay. but you insist on fighting it. i assume because you are crying internally that you won't get to play with "us" type of players since we will be on a "hardcore" server. what you fail to realize is that "we" don't play the game right now anyway so you won't be playing with us regardless.

i don't think it matters what anyone thinks on these forums because you have to face the facts. only a handfull of dedicated fanboys post on these forums. the far vast majority of them apposed to any change since they need their hand outs on silver platters to survive an mmo. the forums have failed to attract the players that quit the game so you don't see their input generated on here.

such a move will do nothing but increase the population levels. the game is at it's lowest level possible. there can be no direction but up from here on but they have to try things out instead of cowardly following a flawed logic going after WoW's subscriber base on the backbone of a FF mmo.

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Hmm.... request for a hard core server. I actually like this idea. I think it would be ridiculous to even consider it now but maybe for later and players could transfer characters. At least that would get them off my server and they can communicate with others who want the same thing about how glorious they are for being on that server. Ya grand idea! Oh but now that I think about it. Make them start from scratch too to get on the server.

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well yeah, duh.. you would have to start from scratch. no player tranfers would be allowed to or from to avoid "easy" loot and "easy" money being transfered into and out of servers. that or your toon will be required to be stripped of all assets if you decide to transfer over.

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what the majority of you failed to understand in such a topic is that a "classic rule set" server would bring back a large chunk of the population to the game. the ffxi orphans would get that classic ffxi feeling back one again. the game only has around 30k players active. this number can grow exponentially through the classic rule set servers. i predict that more than one server would be required almost immediately once the word gets out that they are available.

what is also amusing is the crying from you players. such a server will not hurt your gameplay. but you insist on fighting it. i assume because you are crying internally that you won't get to play with "us" type of players since we will be on a "hardcore" server. what you fail to realize is that "we" don't play the game right now anyway so you won't be playing with us regardless.

i don't think it matters what anyone thinks on these forums because you have to face the facts. only a handfull of dedicated fanboys post on these forums. the far vast majority of them apposed to any change since they need their hand outs on silver platters to survive an mmo. the forums have failed to attract the players that quit the game so you don't see their input generated on here.

such a move will do nothing but increase the population levels. the game is at it's lowest level possible. there can be no direction but up from here on but they have to try things out instead of cowardly following a flawed logic going after WoW's subscriber base on the backbone of a FF mmo.

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You're again confusing correlation with causation. FFXI players didn't quit because the game wasn't FFXI-2. Or because it didn't feature massive timesinks (which very few enjoyed even in FFXI, I remember very well the groans and gripes heard in linkshell again and again every time we were subject to some massive grind/timesink in order to progress)
They quit because the game launched incomplete, unpolished, with very little to do content-wise, and even more because some convenience elements that people have grown to take for granted in MMORPGs were completely absent (because inconvenience is, by itself, a timesink. Why do you think people cry for an Auction House so much? Why do they want a consignment merchant? Why do they want chocobos and airships? Because they want to use their playtime *actively* without *wasting* it).

Square Enix will bring population back by solving those problems, not by further *inconveniencing* their playerbase. I find it massively funy that some would believe that by making the game less active fun and more of a timewaste, any degree of success could be achieved.

Considering how much you seem to appreciate wasting your time, you were probably delighted by having to check every single bazar in the game to find stuff to buy in the market wards. That's SO hardcore, isn't it?
Did you feel let down when they implemented the search function?

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what is also amusing is the crying from you players. such a server will not hurt your gameplay. but you insist on fighting it. i assume because you are crying internally that you won't get to play with "us" type of players since we will be on a "hardcore" server. what you fail to realize is that "we" don't play the game right now anyway so you won't be playing with us regardless.

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On the contrary, if it would make people yelling about hardcore go away and let the forums return back to peace, I almost wish they would. The only ones that seem to be crying is a few self proclaimed "hardcores".

SE released things the way the did because they said they were, not because players asked. FFXI failed to bring in larger crowds because it was largely inacessable to a lot of potential players.

Asking for a hardcore server is a waste of resources at this point. The game is not even fully released yet. People need to just sit back and be patient until all the changes are made. If you cannot handle the fact that the game is effectively still in beta, then please go find something else to do for a while and come back in a few months.

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Enough said we getting what we want both for casual and hardcore matter if you like it or not.

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Everyone can rest assured that the raid dungeons and content that we're planning to implement in the future will feature not only tough battles, but also challenging and exhilarating bosses. The nitty-gritty details are tied into the future rollout of Grand Companies which we'll be announcing the juicy particulars of at a later date. I hope you're all looking forward to it with bated breath!

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you are the one that proclaims how ffxiv is actually harder and more challenging than ffxi in another thread. i cannot take your arguments seriously. i think you purposely undermine any valid attempt at brining challenge to this game because your silver platter may be taken away from you.

you also constantly state on how xp loss death penalties and any other risk vs. reward systems are nothing but time sinks by deliberately stripping out the challenge portion and simply focusing on the time sink element. the avoiding death is the challenge in an xp loss time sink. the LFG time sink's challenge is making an effor to gather friends or create a successful linkshell or finding someone that can contribute to the party. the traveling time sink's challenge is reaching your destination while avoiding tough mobs along the way by planning routes and navigating the zones (certain mobs sense smell. others are blind. some sense ground movement, etc) due to xp loss for you or your traveling party.

you think you are clever by conveniently attack the naturally occuring time sinks of an mmo by striping them of their challenge aspects. your mentality is; why travel when you should teleport, why use tactics due to xp loss when you should zerg it all to death with impunity, why LFG when you should solo everything. you are a fraud.

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Agree but wont happen in FFXIV the world is casual at least SE still going to make the game hard in some way.

Originally Posted by Bayohne
Everyone can rest assured that the raid dungeons and content that we're planning to implement in the future will feature not only tough battles, but also challenging and exhilarating bosses. The nitty-gritty details are tied into the future rollout of Grand Companies which we'll be announcing the juicy particulars of at a later date. I hope you're all looking forward to it with bated breath!

lol hardcore.

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you are the one that proclaims how ffxiv is actually harder and more challenging than ffxi in another thread. i cannot take your arguments seriously.

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Isn't this a very convenient attempt to change subject with the usual personal attack?
Sorry mate, but looks like I have to spell it to you again. Taking a single line completely out of context is a very, very weak forum trick. We were obviously talking about *tanking grind mobs*. Which is quite evidently easier in FFXI than in FFXIV, and is a very, very specific topic.
Misconstruing my opinion by extremising it because you can't counter it in it's original form doesn't constitute a valid argument. Quite the contrary.

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i think you purposely undermine any valid attempt at brining challenge to this game because your silver platter may be taken away from you.

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LOL. I'm probably more of a "hardcore" (I prefer defining myself "core" as "hardcore" is a rather silly definition in itself) gamer than you. Differently from you, though, I'm able to understand the fact that I'm part of a small niche, and by tailoring the game over me and my niche, SE would not gain any kind of commercial success that's necessary for this game to survive.
I enjoy challenging content, but challenge is just that, a challege, and a challenge faced while actively having fun is much, much better than a waste of time to bring the *illusion* of a challenge.
Challenge = Challenge
Timesinks = Illusion of challenge for the ones that can't bear actually challenging content.

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you also constantly state on how xp loss death penalties and any other risk vs. reward systems are nothing but time sinks by deliberately stripping out the challenge portion and simply focusing on the time sink element. the avoiding death is the challenge in an xp loss time sink.

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Challenge? What challenge exactly? Challenge is a matter of difficulty. Not of time. If you want a challenge, you make the encounter *harder to beat*, the consequences have nothing to do with that. Timesinks are simply a placebo for lack of *actual* challenge.

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the LFG time sink's challenge is making an effor to gather friends or create a successful linkshell or finding someone that can contribute to the party.

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LOL. So you're advocating that standing in a chity shouting for a group and getting bored to death is *challenging* instead of spending the same time going into a dungeon and actually facing difficult content? Wow. Talk about lopsided.

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the traveling time sink's challenge is reaching your destination while avoiding tough mobs along the way by planning routes and navigating the zones (certain mobs sense smell. others are blind. some sense ground movement, etc) due to xp loss for you or your traveling party.

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Tell it to all the hundreds of thousands of people that want chocobos and airships. Again, the level of challenge in doing that is brain-dead minimal. You're walking around avoiding extremely predictable AI entities that follow predictable pathing. The time is much better spent (and enjoyable) actually facing challenging fights.

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you think you are clever by conveniently attack the naturally occuring time sinks of an mmo by striping them of their challenge aspects. your mentality is; why travel when you should teleport, why use tactics due to xp loss when you should zerg it all to death with impunity, why LFG when you should solo everything. you are a fraud.

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And you can't discuss without personally attacking people that effectively counter your arguments. There's no challenge in wasting people's time. The challenge is into making them beat/outwit/outmanouver *hard* content, which can be solo OR group oriented (there's challenge even solo, as much as you don't seem to be able to admit it).

You still didn't answer though, were you upset when they added search to the market wards (or the AH in Final Fantasy XI at that)? because you know, that's such a convenient and casual-friendly addition! It completely removes the CHALLENGE (lol) of looking for the items you need in every single bazaar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 sums up how I fell about this idea

Just let them have this server.. as long as regular ones remain untouched by their silly complaints.. <.<

By your logic I am so hardcore when I walked from Uldah to Camp Rivermeet in Coerthas. How challenging it was to tilt the analog stick. Because timesink is a challenge right?

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By your logic I am so hardcore when I walked from Uldah to Camp Rivermeet in Coerthas. How challenging it was to tilt the analog stick. Because timesink is a challenge right?

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You would be doing much more than tilting analog sticks when your xp is on the line, tough guy.

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You would be doing much more than tilting analog sticks when your xp is on the line, tough guy.

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Not really.

Not at all.

Especially if chocobos are Implemented, and Anima removed. Chocobos are Immune to Monster Combat.

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Not really.

Not at all.

Especially if chocobos are Implemented, and Anima removed. Chocobos are Immune to Monster Combat.

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Maybe they wont be immune this time, especially since they talk about implementing them in a "different" way from ffxi.

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Maybe they wont be immune this time, especially since they talk about implementing them in a "different" way from ffxi.

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They were not immune in XI when it first released. It was after the Japanese complained that because they had to pay to rent them, and because being attacked caused you to dismount you were basically stuck stranded in an area. Also the Chocobo Digging would get interrupted.

Most Americans never even got to experience it, but it was horrible.

I enjoy a challenge, I hope the patches add some interesting aspects to the game. But to your suggestions, i shall number like you have, but my response:

1) Tbhy, this isnt a bad idea. It was effective on FFXI. I personally see no issue with this. however, would be a bit harder to impliment with both physical level AND Rank.

2) ONLY if they bring out other forms of transportation. for now, i see no issue with Anima

3)how will this make the game harder? As a function yes, but as i pointed out, it does not make any changes to the difficulty of the game

4) If you removed Anima and Teleport, how would you be able to do this?

5) I see no issue with this. no point in being able to kill an NM every 10 mins

6) No, this will corrupt the economy. The game will not befifit from ppl only selling high end items (and nothing more) at the Gil cap. Also, starter items will be useless to sell anyway

7) Fair enough, I see your reasoning to this. However, why not an option to buff all members at once? (out of combat, AND with the correct MP costs)

8) How about not having caracter transfers at all? I have never seen any benifit from this.

On a final note. there should be no difference between servers. If such ideas are implimented, it should be ALL servers. Or none at all. Changing the game experience between servers adds nothing to the game, and only segrigates the player community

Kimiko x